By the way, it seems clear now that the stop sign behavior is forced (by law) to stop in a way humans do not. In the same way as we do not obey speed limits.
So I propose (and predict we'll see) a menu entry under Autopilot, down there with the speed limit offsets, to 'Perform Only Visibility Stop at Stop Sign'. So we don't have to stop at the sign itself, but the first place you can actually see so as not to do the stop-and creep thing.
I do not believe the full stop, before the sign, is forced by law. Certainly not by federal law and I don't believe by most state laws if any.
It's apparently been "forced" by the insistence of NHTSA, but I don't think any of us has the real Inside story here.
I see you joined the form last year. I think it was in 2021 or 2022 that Tesla was forced to address the "California rolling stop" behavior. And I think their first attempt to do so was indeed a menu selection option. But then they were forced to remove that, and eventually to implement as part of a "recall", the very tedious and annoying stop-creep-stop-go sequence.
BTW for whatever reason I see the best stop sign behavior at residential four-way stops in v12. These are far better than they were before, and thank goodness because the four-way stop was definitely the wrong place to have that super- hesitant behavior that confuses everyone.
I always considered a stop sign to be an indicator that a safe stop is required at the
intersection, i.e. at a marked stop line or crosswalk if one exists or at the road edge where line would be expected to be placed, if there is no painted line. But I don't believe that the placement of the stop sign itself is necessarily an indicator of the exact position of a virtual stop line. Many intersections have the sign placed quite a bit farther back, because of curvature of the shoulder or curb area, or just where the road crew decided to plant it.
Having said that, most everyone knows that an actual full stop, at whatever appropriate position, is a somewhat rare or overdone event when there's clearly no traffic and you have good visibility. OTOH it's also true that people get too accustomed to rolling through stop signs, and this can be a hazard as well as an opportunity for a ticket.
(To me, the special irony of this situation with Tesla is that the very things that make a rolling stop potentially hazardous with human drivers, namely distraction and overconfidence at a familiar and normally empty intersection, are the very things that the multi-camera FSD vehicle is very well equipped to handle. It really is superhuman regarding constant attention and multiple viewpoints.)
In any case, I don't think it would be so bad to enforce a full stop even when there's no traffic - it just shouldn't be required to have a full "NHTSA stop" with the front bumper at or behind the actual stop sign, followed by a further slow creep and/or stop. FSD should be trained to stop at a place that affords good visibility, without encroaching on the natural road edge. Like good human drivers do, or possibly slightly more cautious to build confidence and satisfy doubters.
I think everyone including Tesla realizes that the present behavior is unnatural, annoying to everyone, actually harder to implement, and likely less safe overall than a natural chauffeur-like behavior.
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my daily check and....
and waiting for the 2ed to last person to get it so I can get in the queue. 
about. 
beat.
