FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[Todd Burch]

So you dont' use adaptive cruise control, either?

He also doesn’t brush his teeth since that requires relying on someone else’s statistics concluding that using toothpaste is not fatal to humans.

 

[gottagofast]

Even my 2012 never did that.

Like an anal cyst, that is not normal and you should get it looked at.

Only when I’m looking at the app not when I walk up to the car, walking up to the car is almost instant wake, 10 seconds at worst

 

[Todd Burch]

In the first one, that's a rather slow move by the truck and seems like an overreaction on the part of ego. Seems like almost all human drivers (as long as they're paying some attention) would be able to respond to that slow of a lane change without the sudden jerk.

We all respond from the perspective of watching a video knowing something is about to occur.

If that sort of thing happened after an hour of mundane driving on the highway, or while talking to a passenger, or while sleepy, or while quickly checking your phone to see if your mistress finally Snapchatted that nude to you, etc. it wouldn’t be as clear-cut.

 

[Todd Burch]

I honestly wish I had 11.4.9 instead of 12.3. It's starting to actively piss me off due to how often I need to push down on the accelerator (few to several times a minute).

I think Elon jumped the gun a bit with the free FSD trial. He should have waited until the speed issues were mostly fixed first, which I don’t think is too far off. The conversion rate would probably be significantly higher.

Having said that, there is a portion of the population who disliked FSD due to phantom braking, unnecessary braking, jerky steering, and indecisiveness which is vastly improved in v12 so there is that…

 

[gottagofast]

I think Elon jumped the gun a bit with the free FSD trial. He should have waited until the speed issues were mostly fixed first, which I don’t think is too far off. The conversion rate would probably be significantly higher.

Having said that, there is a portion of the population who disliked FSD due to phantom braking, unnecessary braking, jerky steering, and indecisiveness which is vastly improved in v12 so there is that…

Braking is better but still brakes too hard imo, mine waited too long to stop at a red light yesterday and waited way too long to brake, it should have gradually started slowing down 3 seconds sooner

The regen braking alone is enough to slow it down most of the time but it still uses the actual brakes when it’s not necessary

 

[Todd Burch]

I’m not 100% sure FSD 12 is doing this but it feels like it is

When I’m on a 2 lane road with oncoming traffic I feel like the car moves closer to the side of the road whenever I’m about to meet a car in the opposite lane, then after the car has gone by it moves back closer to the center

This is much better than FSD 11 always staying close to the center no matter what was coming at you

Yes it absolutely does this. 11.4.9 did it too.

Even AP1, which I have about 150,000 miles of engaged experience on, would do it.

 

[gottagofast]

Yes it absolutely does this. 11.4.9 did it too.

Even AP1, which I have about 150,000 miles of engaged experience on, would do it.

I never felt like it did this with 11.4.9, I was always uncomfortable using 11 on a 2 lane road because of this, if it did it didn’t do it as well

 

[Todd Burch]

I never felt like it did this with 11.4.9, I was always uncomfortable using 11 on a 2 lane road because of this, if it did it didn’t do it as well

I drive about 4 miles on a well-traveled two-lane rural road as part of my commute and it did this every day on 11.4.9. Personally I never had a problem with it.

 

[JulienW]

They better send us ASS on 12.4 to make up for this.

We've been hearing about that beautiful juicy big ASS coming for over a year now. We are told it is smooth, tight and is a nearly perfect vision. Hard to stay extremely exited for so long but just imagining the image is stimulating. My need to visit carpornhub.com now.

 

[JulienW]

I think that was more like a playback of a Psychiatry session. Combining ancestor resentment with Cybertruck envy and get-rich-quick daydreaming.

Maybe when @TK211X finally gets his update, there needs to be a series of on-screen ink blots so that Grok can decide if it's safe to turn over control. Sort of a Freudian breathalyzer routine.

Poor @TK211X because of their unbounded optimism on get the lates updates has been moved behind even me on getting them. So that may be awhile.

 

[willow_hiller]

(Words in brackets added by me.)

Sure, if you add words to the end of my argument that makes it incorrect, it will be incorrect. Here's my own words:

Driving on FSD Beta, on the roads that FSD Beta is typically driven on, with the disengagements that drivers have been making, is safer than driving a Tesla without active safety features, on the roads those Teslas are typically driven, with the driver attributes of those without them.

This is comparing Tesla to Tesla, so the demographics of Tesla drivers vs the general population is inconsequential.

And the above might seem like a meaningless statement, because it doesn't tell us that FSD Beta is safer all else equal. But it absolutely refuses the idea that FSD Beta is unsafe. The people that claim that FSD Beta is a dangerous experiment and Elon is unleashing a hoard of untrained drivers with unsafe software to mow down your children are proven wrong with the data.

 

[JulienW]

Is the steering wheel nag something Tesla has implemented by choice or is it forced by the government?

What needs to be done for the steering wheel nag to be replaced by cabin camera nag?

Both.

Tesla uses a standard vision camera. New Tesla's do have IR transmitters to illuminate the eyes.

Other manufactures uses detected IR transmitters and IR camera receivers to watch the eyes. Tesla is trying to "make up" for the lack of detected hardware with AI. I guess it is "Deep Eyes" and working about as well as "Deep Rain".

 

[fasteddie7]

I feel like since I’ve had FSD from the beginning, heck I had AP1 also, that I’m safer because I’m not complacent. I’m constantly expecting it to run me off the road so I’m extra vigilant. Even now with almost all drives having No disengagements I’m paying more attention than I would if I was driving, since I trust myself more. If nothing else, FSD keeps me in laser focus mode the whole time. If v12 was my first experience with FSD I could see being a little lax since it does so well. Maybe new subscribers or purchasers should have to start with an earlier version instead of 12, then after a few drives with each version, and a few underwear changing moments, graduate to 12.

 

[fasteddie7]

Good news, nice drop of teslafi.com

Bad news, not for v12.3 peeps

So far, bringing up the V11 branch

Wonder if they are leaving us 12.3 peeps on to collect data on when we use the accelerator to speed it up. It would explain the 75gb of data that is uploaded every day I take a drive.

 

[JulienW]

Wonder if they are leaving us 12.3 peeps on to collect data on when we use the accelerator to speed it up. It would explain the 75gb of data that is uploaded every day I take a drive.

For me I use the pedal MORE on 12.3 that I do manually driving.

 

[mongo]

Both.

Tesla uses a standard vision camera. New Tesla's do have IR transmitters to illuminate the eyes.

Other manufactures uses detected IR transmitters and IR camera receivers to watch the eyes. Tesla is trying to "make up" for the lack of detected hardware with AI. I guess it is "Deep Eyes" and working about as well as "Deep Rain".

Side note:
Cameras see IR by default, manufacturers normally add filters to block it to match human vision.
Day color/night B/W security cameras with IR illumination have a moving filter to switch modes. If it gets stuck in disabled, the color images are quite interesting.

 

[aronth5]

Top 6 feature improvements I'd like to see (in no order).
I'm not including issues where Tesla is continually working on improvements (speeds/lane changes). Excluding any related highway features since still on V11.

1. Stop for School Bus with Flashing Lights
2. Slow for School Zones
3. Emergency vehicles (pull over)
4. Pothole/large puddle Avoidance
5. Hand Gestures- Police/Road Crews
6. Road Closure reroute.

 

[whizfish]

My one year old MYLR updated to 2024.3.6 last night. This morning I got an email saying my FSD free trial starts now. Too bad I’ll be out of town and away from the car for half of the 30 days. Also I’ll be driving coast to coast in early May but it stops 4/30.

 

[gottagofast]

For me I use the pedal MORE on 12.3 that I do manually driving.

Using the pedal still stops the car from braking right? Like if you used the pedal at a stop sign the car would go through it?

 

[JulienW]

Using the pedal still stops the car from braking right? Like if you used the pedal at a stop sign the car would go through it?

Pushing the go pedal overrides brakes.