“It’s a mediocre product at a high price,” Musk said...
Splitting hairs. Whether he used the word to mean average or worse, in context he definitely meant it negatively. Engineering wise I agree with him.
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Splitting hairs. Whether he used the word to mean average or worse, in context he definitely meant it negatively. Engineering wise I agree with him.
I agree as well. I suspect most (all?) engineers that have looked at the Karma will also concur. Elon is just calling them like he sees them.
GSP
After reading the article, I see that Fisker's response was written, sent via email. Probably means that it passed through PR before it was sent. Where as I suppose Musk was unfiltered.
I am reminded of the great quote from Michael Kinsley, "A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth - some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say."
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I'm a bit slow, I guess. I just read the Fisker Town Hall FAQ over at FiskerBuzz, which said in part:
So far, Tesla hasn't charged anyone for any software update on Roadster. With Model S supporting wireless updating, I would expect that Tesla will continue to provide free software updates/upgrades. Speculation on FB was that the fee wasn't so much to make money, but to keep all owners from flooding service every time a new version is available. It'll be interesting to see whether the navigation exclusion from free is just for map updates or for actual functionality, the latter is a common item of complaint among Fisker owners.
Wireless updating is smart on Tesla's part. It keeps customers running the latest and greatest, which means all cars have the best performance and less issues that might otherwise make them come in for service. It keeps customers happy, and still provides for new applications to be sold. Auto-updating of DirecTV and Chrome have been working out well for me.
Of course, there's still the possibility that Tesla will see fit to charge for new apps that can run in the car. I guess we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.
I'm a bit slow, I guess. I just read the Fisker Town Hall FAQ over at FiskerBuzz, which said in part:
So far, Tesla hasn't charged anyone for any software update on Roadster. With Model S supporting wireless updating, I would expect that Tesla will continue to provide free software updates/upgrades. Speculation on FB was that the fee wasn't so much to make money, but to keep all owners from flooding service every time a new version is available. It'll be interesting to see whether the navigation exclusion from free is just for map updates or for actual functionality, the latter is a common item of complaint among Fisker owners.
Wireless updating is smart on Tesla's part. It keeps customers running the latest and greatest, which means all cars have the best performance and less issues that might otherwise make them come in for service. It keeps customers happy, and still provides for new applications to be sold. Auto-updating of DirecTV and Chrome have been working out well for me.
Of course, there's still the possibility that Tesla will see fit to charge for new apps that can run in the car. I guess we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.
It's far better to have everyone running on a single rev of the software. Fewer customer issues, more info about the latest update, and lower support costs.
Also from smorgasbord's fiskerbuzz link:
"A123 Battery Exchange
Q. What is the status of the battery exchange program?
A. The program is on track to begin in Q4 of 2012 once supplies of new battery packs are available.
Q. How do I know if my battery is affected, and when will it be replaced?
A. We are in the process of determining the specific VINs that are affected by the A123 battery exchange program. We will be proactively replacing all battery packs throughout the year. You will be notified later this year if your vehicle is affected."
I wonder if Fisker owners with defective battery cells will get them replaced. An A123 bankrupty may put the financial burden on Fisker, and they are not in great financial shape either.
GSP
"A123 Battery Exchange
Q. What is the status of the battery exchange program?
A. The program is on track to begin in Q4 of 2012 once supplies of new battery packs are available.
Q. How do I know if my battery is affected, and when will it be replaced?
A. We are in the process of determining the specific VINs that are affected by the A123 battery exchange program. We will be proactively replacing all battery packs throughout the year. You will be notified later this year if your vehicle is affected."
I wonder if Fisker owners with defective battery cells will get them replaced. An A123 bankrupty may put the financial burden on Fisker, and they are not in great financial shape either.
GSP
It seems more likely than not that Wanxiang will take over A123. That should, at least in principle, allow whatever cost-sharing agreement A123 and Fisker had regarding replacements to continue.
So we had our first "EVer" Karma owners drive yesterday - very fun "EVent" that concluded with a signed NDA and a tour of their design studio! About 29 Karmas in total, more info at FB: First EVer Karma Owners Drive - A Success!
Fisker organized this? Love the brown color up front
Yep - was jointly organized by Fisker HQ and Fisker of Orange County! Have there been any big roadster drives?
Most certainly... Mostly NorCal and SoCal
Inaugural Tesla Roadster Rally | Blog | Tesla Motors
Tesla Roadster Rally Tesla Owner
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Don't forget Yurp.
By the way, the Karma was on BBC Click today. That goes out worldwide.
BBC iPlayer - Click: 25/08/2012
They gave it a glowing review... then they showed it glowing. The two of them.
By the way, the Karma was on BBC Click today. That goes out worldwide.
BBC iPlayer - Click: 25/08/2012
They gave it a glowing review... then they showed it glowing. The two of them.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
LA Tesla club site shows many drives: http://www.socalgreenspeed.com/ as TEG posted the 50+ car drives originate with Tesla.
i only could watch it via this link, not iplayer
BBC News - Eco car Fisker's unique hybrid technology
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