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Farewell Model X and Hello Lincoln Navigator
- Thread starter Dalia
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I didn't see the OP as trying to provoke anything. I think she was giving an honest assessment of why the Model X doesn't work for her. Feedback like that is useful to hear. What's not acceptable here is attacking other members, and some of the posts here (not yours) were right on the borderline of that IMHO.
I don't want to get into a debate about why OP should be driving an EV vs. an ICE, but it's a fact that people have certain requirements (like "doesn't make my kids sick" or needing to meet a certain pricepoint, or having a certain range) for a car. And if a car (whether it's a Model X, a Navigator, or whatever) can't meet those requirements, it doesn't matter how green it is, it's unsat. Perhaps if there were more EV SUVs than just the Model X, OP might have tried one of those instead, who knows.
Bruce.
Agree Bruce completely the shaming and fanboy crap needs to stop.
Yinn
Active Member
Congrats! If you're looking for a large 3 row SUV, the navigator (or Ford Expedition XL/Max equivelant) is definitely the way to go! Prior to getting the X, I almost went with one myself. At the time they didn't have the ecoboost though, so 16mpg was a little difficult to swallow for me at the time. The new one gets 22mpg I think, which is tremendously better; and if they put the diesel in...I'd have a difficult decision to make on whether to stay electric myself.
For those who are not aware, the Ford is one of the few that actually uses independent on all 4 corners, which allows normal sized human beings to sit comfortably in the 3rd row. We can fit them in the X sure..but it's not exactly a preferred seat. Heck even in the 2nd row it isn't exactly a preferred seat in comparison. While many do a great job in the middle row, the Lincoln/Ford is the only one I've seen that can haul a family of 8, 2-3 large dogs, luggage for the weekend, and still tow a boat and do it all in comfort.
Wish you the best, and hopefully Tesla creates something that's competitive to that in the future!! (I consider the X a competitor to the Ford Explorer/Lincoln MKT, not the Expedition/Navigator)
De
Depends on age of kids. With a baby, nursing and blowouts happens. My kids don’t watch tv so we don’t get 2 hrs after the first stop, which is much longer than 15 min.
Depends on age of kids. With a baby, nursing and blowouts happens. My kids don’t watch tv so we don’t get 2 hrs after the first stop, which is much longer than 15 min.
Yes that's a good point. We are just past nursing with the youngest one. When she was still nursing, the 1 stop was 40 minutes. We've made the same trip with the same stop many times by now, so we are pretty proficient. Would be different I'm sure if we were in an unfamiliar place.
Nerdy_Engineer
Brett - The Nerdy Engineer
I haven't needed to geotag the doors. I guess when backing in, I'm far enough away that they open fine without being told to always open full height. I put a strip of painters tape on the ground behind my car to mark how far I need to back in to clear the garage door.
The 2018 Navigator L is almost 2' longer than the X, so it should have more space. However, can you explain what you mean by "harsh cold here in Chicago killed my battery"? I am in a similar situation and drive to Chicago often. I drove through the -10 degree weather in Chicago/MN and road trips just fine.
Also, Autopilot is a huge advantage on a long road trips. The 2018 Navigator does not have a steering assist function.
How do you avoid eating meals on road trips in an ICE car? I don't get how an ICE car solves the stopping for meals/bathrooms/changing issue.
Surveys in the past (on this forum, as I recall) indicate that environmental benefits are not the foremost reason that people buy a Tesla.
Aside from that, i don't think you should bash this person -- They made the purchase of both an S and an X, and find they need something else. They came here to tell us their reason. I suggest being nice to people, even if they make a different choice. The OP did not complain or knock the car, just stated her reasons for choosing another.
Peteybabes
redneck drivin' a tesla...
i'd be killed if i said that i've recently driven the Camaro ZL1 10 speed & the much more exciting Camaro ZL1-1LE and have seriously been considering dumping my X for that beast.
if something doesn't change soon with tesla i will be forced to move on as i'm getting kinda bored of the 6-year-old Model S which is largely unchanged from it's first iteration (same basic size and look, not talking about little trim changes) and IMHO the X is too small for a 7 passenger SUV...these cars need to be made bigger and the 400+ mile range that elon musk mentioned can't come soon enough.
jeffro01
Active Member
Um... You do realize you are on a enthusiasts forum??? Furthermore the use of the word "fanboy" is derogatory and unnecessary. Perhaps you're in the wrong place?
Jeff
Jeff,
You are barking up the wrong tree. Wow, I didn't realize I was on a Tesla forum. Fanboy is a word used earlier in the thread that I was highlighting and it's hardly derogatory. Perhaps you should try a little harder to find something wrong. Lastly, so because this is an enthusiasts site it gives free reign for you and your cronies to be rude to someone? I think your "enthusiasm" is misplaced and unwelcome. I will continue to support Dalia's decision as well as the people who support that. Enjoy the evening
I think the mockery comes from the fact that the majority of us that drive Teslas find it extremely difficult to drive ICE cars after being used to an EV drivetrain.
Also the fact that someone is going from an environmentally friendly Tesla to a SUV that gets 16mpg and probably costs $80 per tank to fill (if not more).
Also the fact that someone is going from an environmentally friendly Tesla to a SUV that gets 16mpg and probably costs $80 per tank to fill (if not more).
jeffro01
Active Member
Jeff,
You are barking up the wrong tree. Wow, I didn't realize I was on a Tesla forum. Fanboy is a word used earlier in the thread that I was highlighting and it's hardly derogatory. Perhaps you should try a little harder to find something wrong. Lastly, so because this is an enthusiasts site it gives free reign for you and your cronies to be rude to someone? I think your "enthusiasm" is misplaced and unwelcome. I will continue to support Dalia's decision as well as the people who support that. Enjoy the evening
When you're going to make ridiculous comments you should expect someone to chirp back. Again, this isn't an anti-Tesla site (although sometimes you wouldn't know it which is another issue in and of itself), this is supposed to be a pro-Tesla site. As far as enthusiast sites go, TMC does a better than average job of hearing dissent and responding to it. That being said, threads like this are so completely unnecessary and serve only one real purpose "look at me"...
The term "fanboy" is not now, nor has it ever been, a positive word to describe people who are passionate about something. You can think my enthusiasm is misplaced and unwelcome all you want, it's not going to change my approach to things one bit. I'll continue to criticize Tesla when it's appropriate and I'll continue to enthusiastically support them otherwise. If you have a problem with that, then that's on you and there are remedies available to you should you need them such as putting me on ignore or simply not reading my posts. What you do is entirely up to you and what I do is entirely up to me and it's going to stay that way...
Jeff
though i am new, IMO this is neither a PRO nor ANTI tesla site, i feel this is a tesla discussion site. like 'hey how are you i have a tesla too, these things are awesome, these things are not so good, what do you think they can improve on, let's meet up' kinda thing. i personally have used it to gain a wealth of information, and i like this site, but i am not an enthusiast. lots of them here though, and lots of people with beefs about tesla here too looking for info just like everyone else.
it's the ones who say 'WTFOMG you are an idiot how could you drive an ICE and destroy the environment' or 'HAHAHAHA another autopilot crash tesla stock went down bankruptcy is imminent!' that add no value and serve little purpose to this site other than clogging up the threads and wasting everyone's time.
maybe someday when tesla releases a better looking EV SUV with an actual luxury interior, with doors that work, actually seats 7 comfortably, has real 1000mi range that charges up in 10 minutes, is not affected by the cold, costs $35,000, AND elon can release it on time, then we can bag on someone buying a navigator.
until then, you know what if someone feels a navigator is better than a model X for them, and wants to rationally explain why on this site, it should be met with understanding and debate, but not criticism.
Let's break this down.
Red: I don't think anyone would say my comment was ridiculous. It clashes with whatever you believe therefore is "ridiculous" to you.
Orange: Your Opinion
Green: Your Opinion
Blue: Your Opinion
You jumped right on OP for sharing her experience, and a well thought out paragraph on how they planned to continue on while still owning a Tesla mind you. Jeff you seem very high strung and quick to jump on people who don't fall into your line of thinking. That isn't a huge deal but, if someone has moved on from your obsession and explains why, don't call them a planet murderer and start picking fights. It's a bad look. I hope you enjoy the night. Hope to talk with you again.
Just FYI, the navigator does have a steering assist function. In my opinion it doesn't work well, but it is technically there.
An ICE cooler ironically - what a horrible pun
. We eat while we drive. We aren't the kind of people that like to lounge around on road trips that aren't scenic/historic. We would rather just get where we're going. I don't think many people would argue that the superchargers in the rural midwest are surrounded by areas of scenic and/or historic interest. And yes, we don't want to wait 30 extra minutes to charge. And the snow/cold etc do have a significant negative impact on the battery. Myself, wife and 3 kids only need 1 stop in the middle of the particular 5 hour drive that we do several times per year.Also, I appreciate the OP sharing their experience. It's helpful to all of us in similar situations making similar decisions.
Super_Popular
Well-Known Member
So my kids get sick when we drive on winding roads. I think this is because they cannot see out of a window, but some kids just get motion sickness, so who knows. It could possibly be that one or both parent tends to like to accelerate a little through turns on curvy, hilly roads. At any rate, I keep bags in the car (actual trash bags that do not leak - made that mistake before) just in case someone feels ill. No one had any issues sitting in the back on our long highway trip from Virginia to Florida, so it appears to be the rolling/winding hills of Virginia that do them in. Perhaps OP has the same scenario?
We had a Navigator extended, and I personally like my X better (or I guess I'd still be driving it). It was painful to spend $500+ in premium fuel a month (otherwise it would start knocking and losing power going up hills). My main problem with driving an ICE anymore is that I expect them to slow down when my foot eases off of the accelerator, and I can totally see blowing a stoplight/sign or just rear ending another car.
OP, I know the real reason why got a Navigator. Three words.... Matthew F****ing McConaughey. Allright alright alright.
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