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The first US death has been reported in King County (Seattle) and the patient had no known previous contacts with others.

The virus has escaped containment in the US. It's only a matter of time now. There may be hundreds or thousands of people walking around asymptomatic in Washington state already.

It was nice knowing you guys, we had a lot of fun together. I need to go spam Amazon for some nonexistent masks now and pray I'm not in the 0.2% who actually do die from this in my age group.

edit: There are many sellers on Amazon who claim to have surgical masks in stock. Let's see if anything actually ships and in a decent time frame.

This one will impact markets. As the diseased is person of the white genes. There were a lot of belief before that this does not affect the western population but a death from disease penetrate any type of reality distortion field. Just like Cancer did to Steve Jobs.

NOW can people please start wearing masks? I can't believe I am still walking down the street and passing by 3 people coughing their lungs out in open air from just a 15 minute stretch. The reason why my messaging has been so negative is because of this. The total lack of prevention in a Pandemic.
 
For those who want to follow, there will be a press conference at 1 pm in Seattle where the authorities talk about the case.
Seattle Times link here:
One King County patient has died due to novel coronavirus infection; first COVID-19 death in the U.S.

Not in my time zone? 1 pm is in 1 hour from the time of this post.

Here is another link that might work also. The livestream should happen in about 30 minutes from now. The paucity of even basic patient information is unusual IMO. Hopefully this livestream in 30 minutes helps with basic information.

Live | KIRO-TV
 
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Here is another link that might work also. The livestream should happen in about 30 minutes from now. The paucity of even basic patient information is unusual IMO. Hopefully this livestream in 30 minutes helps with basic information.

Live | KIRO-TV

Sheri Fink on Twitter

Further information on the possible coronavirus outbreak at Life Care in Washington State provided by
@DocJeffD
. Facility has about 108 residents/180 staff. Approx 27 residents and 25 staff have symptoms. Two confirmed (one health worker and one resident).
 
Most people in US

- Do not have sick leave. So they have to go to work to get any money at all.
- If they don't go to work, they can be fired and lose whatever insurance they have
- Have insurance with high deductibles and do not have money to throw away to get tested for CV19 if they get cold like symptoms
- Have insurance that might still refuse to pay for testing leaving people with $3,000 bills
These are very good points. Our health insurance deductible (and max out of pocket amount) through the ACA (Affordable Care Act aka. Obamacare) is $6900 for each family member. Families like ours have been conditioned to avoid "unnecessary" doctor visits and testing. If our government wants people to get tested, they're going to have to make it "free", etc.
 
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These are very good points. Our health insurance deductible (and max out of pocket amount) through the ACA (Affordable Care Act aka. Obamacare) is $6900 for each family member. Families like ours have been conditioned to avoid "unnecessary" doctor visits and testing. If our government wants people to get tested, they're going to have to make it "free", etc.

Unfortunately there is a lot of wrong information, assumption and other discussed. Allow me to tell you what authorities are saying here in Europe.

In Europe the recommendation is actually to NOT go to a doctor if you assume you may have got the corona Virus. This is from officials, authorities and Doctors and makes a lot of sense even if it sounds odd at start.

The point is as in most cases the development is mild anyway and does not need hospitalization and therefore its much better to isolated at home. Thats what happening here in Germany and in many other countries for good reasons. From the 63 cases or so we have in Germany I believe 2 are critical and in a hospital, so all the chatter about 15 - 20% hospitalization some people talk about seems to be not really true.

If you go to a doctor you will be in contact with many other people and the risk that you infect them is pretty hight. That happened in the last weeks where infections have not been known off like in Italy and why most of the German cases can be tracked back to Italy.

You stay at home and call the doctor who will give you instructions. Within a family household there are different ways how the rest of the family can be isolated from the infected person.

The next wrong information circulating is masks. Only if you have the virus you should use and buy a mask. If not don't buy one! Why? Well, guess where the masks for the world are produced? In China! An of course they have a supply issue right now and can't deliver. The mask you buy hinders someone in the world that may have the virus to get one. So, you make the infection worse and you don't help yourself neither.

Also and more important your risk to get infected as someone who is not near an infection point is that low that is does not make any sense to wear a mask. Finally the problem if you don't have the virus is not to be infected by your breathing or mouth but because people don't wash there hands often and long enough (min 20sec). People usually catch it with their hands and when they touch their face next the virus is near your mouth or nose and can enter.

There is more but this are some of the myths.
 
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These are very good points. Our health insurance deductible (and max out of pocket amount) through the ACA (Affordable Care Act aka. Obamacare) is $6900 for each family member. Families like ours have been conditioned to avoid "unnecessary" doctor visits and testing. If our government wants people to get tested, they're going to have to make it "free", etc.
Not just testing - but mandatory quarantine. There is a fight brewing between insurance and the government as to who will pay. Hospitals will probably start suing patients to get the money.

You stay at home and call the doctor who will give you instructions.

Ever tried that in the US ?
 
The point is as in most cases the development is mild anyway and does not need hospitalization and therefore its much better to isolated at home. Thats what happening here in Germany and in many other countries for good reasons.
Of course, for many in the US, even that is economically infeasible, due to our labor culture. (Sure, there may be laws requiring someone to be allowed to stay home when sick (in cases like food service)... but AFAIK those laws don't require paid sick leave, and they don't have teeth against employers that retaliate against workers for using sick leave. And there's an extreme culture of firing workers that call off sick.)

So, especially in the service industry, self-quarantining won't happen, without a government guarantee with teeth that jobs will be protected (and this likely means some sort of stimulus package that is conditional on not firing anyone who was employed during the outbreak for several months for any reason (because employers are good at coming up with excuses to fire someone)).

That also causes problems if you close down schools to try to slow the spread that way - you have too many people whose economic stability utterly depends on having somewhere that they can park their kids for free without getting Child Protective Services called on them for an unsupervised kid, and they can't afford even a week off work to watch their kids, or afford child care (which would also be something that you'd want to close down to slow the spread).
 
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You stay at home and call the doctor who will give you instructions.
Ever tried that in the US ?
Calling a doctor in the U.S. is pretty much a joke. Best practice for the U.S. is probably to stay home like @avoigt said, hope you have just a mild case, and can live without the income for the time you're at home. For most people there is a choice between dying of something serious or becoming homeless.
 
Not just testing - but mandatory quarantine. There is a fight brewing between insurance and the government as to who will pay. Hospitals will probably start suing patients to get the money.

Ever tried that in the US ?

Same challenge in Europe but they reacted fast here and inform people over the radio and TV and bring enough recourses on phone lines to make sure people are taken care of. So, the entire virus story may even help the US to step up to standards you have in developed countries. Sorry, sounds strange as the US is a developed country but with respect to healthcare if you are poor or middle class I am not that sure.

The cost issue you refer to is to say it politely, ridiculous. The cost for the US with every infected person that is not treated and taken care about early on is very high so asking me the Government should make funds available to cover all of this. May sound unrealistic but not doing it would be really foolish.
 
Of course, for many in the US, even that is economically infeasible, due to our labor culture. (Sure, there may be laws requiring someone to be allowed to stay home when sick (in cases like food service)... but AFAIK those laws don't require paid sick leave, and they don't have teeth against employers that retaliate against workers for using sick leave. And there's an extreme culture of firing workers that call off sick.)

So, especially in the service industry, self-quarantining won't happen, without a government guarantee with teeth that jobs will be protected (and this likely means some sort of stimulus package that is conditional on not firing anyone who was employed during the outbreak for several months for any reason (because employers are good at coming up with excuses to fire someone)).

That also causes problems if you close down schools to try to slow the spread that way - you have too many people whose economic stability utterly depends on having somewhere that they can park their kids for free without getting Child Protective Services called on them for an unsupervised kid, and they can't afford even a week off work to watch their kids, or afford child care (which would also be something that you'd want to close down to slow the spread).

It boils down to the fact to isolate and fight the virus you will need to pay for it the one way or the other. Systemic structures in the US turn out to be systemic risks in this cases and I agree to your point that this is an issue.
 
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