What advantages? You keep saying this…
Ive listed them several times in this thread, including the first post.
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What advantages? You keep saying this…
There is no point. @FordMME ignores posts he can’t handle responding too.
He’s a troll. I’m a fan of the MME. I’m on record rooting for it. That said I’m happy to call it out for its shortcomings. This user has come to this thread multiple times posting that the MME is simply better. It usually boils down to looks and the larger less efficient pack.
He clearly is trying to validate his own questions about his purchase. On another note it’ll be interesting to see how MME customers handle the battery degradation of their larger less efficient pack in a year or two…
The EV 1000: 11 EVs Face Off in a Long-Distance Race
A 1000-mile race reveals what it's like to drive an EV long distances in 2021.www.caranddriver.com
From C/D from which you’ve posted on this platform quite a few times:
About 50 miles north of Morgantown, the Mach-E's fast start was falling apart in a spectacular string of charging failures. An EVgo station refused to work for more than a minute at a time, eating up a half-hour before the drivers moved on. With 6 percent battery charge, the Mach-E crawled 10 miles to another EVgo unit and had the same problem. The team then crossed the street and hooked up to a Level 2 station.
So again, per C/Ds own recount of a road trip with a Mach E, the statement I posted seems contradictory with its own findings. I’m really not sure how that’s debatable.
It is a much better looking car than the “understated” MY. I can’t speak to EVGo. Don’t have those in my area. The EA and ChargePoint stations have worked great for me, now. Not initially.FORDMME will translate that to “it’s a much better looking car”
C/Ds point exactly was that with the growing non-Tesla network, there was little reason to own a Tesla. If you are inferring that after 2-3 hours of driving coming across charging stations that won’t work wouldn’t be frustrating outside of a cannonball run, then frankly I think you aren’t being very truthful in your communications on this platform. The supercharger network is absolutely a huge advantage on a road trip, and far from a irrelevant metric, considering that the lack of range/charging/speed and recharging infrastructure are some of the main issues ICE drivers have with converting to EVs. Which you have admitted, is kind of the point.It is a much better looking car than the “understated” MY. I can’t speak to EVGo. Don’t have those in my area. The EA and ChargePoint stations have worked great for me, now. Not initially.
The larger point is that the Mach E was never going to win a race like this even if the chargers had worked. As I’ve said, the Teslas charge faster and have a broader network in at least some areas. So points to Tesla, though I’d respectfully submit that a 1,000 mile cannonball run is a pretty irrelevant metric.
C&D seem to think so, too, given their pick for EV of the Year despite Tesla’s edge in public charging. Again, public charging is ONE factor of a multi-factor analysis that goes into picking an EV.
He like the way they look.What advantages? You keep saying this…
I didn’t say they were inferior. In fact I never mentioned them at all. People are entitled to come to different opinions. The Motor Trend review actually acknowledges many of the pros and cons to both vehicles - it simply puts greater weight on different things, particularly the charging network. It also was comparing Ford’s included CoPilot360 to Tesla’s $10,000 Full Self Driving package - not exactly apples to apples.Again, Motor Trend and Top Gear both picked the Model Y over the Mach E. What makes their testing methods or conclusions inferior?
Ive listed them several times in this thread, including the first post.
But the M/T test compared the same trim levels. M/T didn't experience the same issues with handling that C/D did. Let's compare what C/D emphasized:I didn’t say they were inferior. In fact I never mentioned them at all. People are entitled to come to different opinions. The Motor Trend review actually acknowledges many of the pros and cons to both vehicles - it simply puts greater weight on different things, particularly the charging network. It also was comparing Ford’s included CoPilot360 to Tesla’s $10,000 Full Self Driving package - not exactly apples to apples.
The Mach E looks nicer. Look, you can argue that until you’re blue in the face, and of course looks are subjective - to an extent. But if you seriously contend that the MY looks better than the MME, I’m going to discount the rest of your conclusions accordingly. You’ve got to be capable of giving credit where it is due.
The Mach E drives smoother and quieter - even Motor Trend acknowledged this. The seats and interior materials are plusher and more refined.
Whether you like the Tesla’s more austerely minimal interior to Ford’s more familiar knobs and buttons is entirely subjective. I’ll say only that the volume knob is very convenient for quick movements - better than the steering wheel rollers. The Mach driver instrument cluster is a major plus - there is a reason the X and S include that, but sadly the M and Y do not.
The Mach E is a significantly better value thanks to the $7,500 tax credit.
Difference in rear cargo and frunk capacity is negligible and seems to depend entirely on what luggage is used for the test - as several reviews have differed as to which car can hold more.
The MY is a tad quicker because it is lighter, but you get a rougher, noisier ride as a result. The Tesla infotainment system is smoother and better designed, though at the expense of being required to be used to control virtually every aspect of the car. Again, maybe you like that, but not even being able to open a glovebox without using the touch screen borders on the absurd.
Charging network favors the Tesla. For now. I expect that difference will be negligible within a couple years.
I already answered your question.So what are your issues with M/Ts testing methods?
Sorry, I don’t have the energy to answer these insanely long posts. You and Motor Trend are obviously right. C&D and my own eyes are obviously wrong. The MY is clearly the superior vehicle. Glad we’ve settled this.But the M/T test compared the same trim levels. M/T didn't experience the same issues with handling that C/D did. Let's compare what C/D emphasized:
C/D:
Turning the Y's small-diameter steering wheel requires lots of effort to get it to turn. We're fine with high efforts, so long as the force is communicative and natural, but the Y's is rather numb. Once you deviate from going straight and start bending into corners, the Y becomes a bit nervous and darty, vectoring and re-vectoring like a poorly tuned video-game controller. Drive the Y hard and it seems out of step, like there is a glitch in software.
M/T:
Unlike the Mach-E, the Model Y allows drivers to individually mix and match settings for acceleration (Chill and Standard), brake feel (Standard and Low), and steering (Comfort, Standard, and Sport).The Tesla's Sport steering doesn't feel as heavy as the Mach-E's in Unbridled mode, but it does add noticeably more resistance in comparison to Comfort.
So, C/D didn't even get into the driving modes of the Tesla. So C/Ds conclusions, by definition, are less informed than M/T and thus have a higher margin of error.
C/D on the 'Lows' of the Tesla:
Lows: Disconnected chassis, troublesome build quality, single screen for all controls still doesn't work.
Speaking of 'subjective' so are C/Ds lows of the Tesla vs. any other media outlet that has tested it. Both publications tested and mentioned the steering.
For background, M/T didn't say the interior of the Ford was "plusher and more refined"
M/T:
Tesla started the tech-focused cabin trend, but most electric vehicles now follow that template, including the Mach-E. Although the Ford's interior feels warmer than the Tesla's, it borrows ideas such as hidden air vents and a large central screen while mixing in familiar Blue Oval parts like the rotary gear selector. It also adds a second screen to serve as an instrument cluster, which the Tesla lacks. "The cabin offers a clean, fresh-feeling execution for a Ford," Loh said, adding that the handsome gray cloth on the dash and speakers brought a premium feel.
What you said M/T stated about the seats are again, not true:
The Mach-E also serves up two USB ports (in this case one Type-A and one Type-C) and air vents for rear passengers, but there's limited foot room, especially for the middle passenger, and the rear middle seat has stiffer cushions and is less comfortable overall.
So that was the only mention of the seats in the M/T comparison.
M/T on the central screen on the Model Y:
In the Model Y, as with all Teslas, the screen serves as the command center of the car, being used not only for the usual navigation and audio functions but also for tasks like adjusting the power side mirrors and steering wheel or finding a Supercharger station near you. While having all of these functions in one screen could be distracting, Tesla's clean, simple layout is easy to use and parse at a glance, and the software running the show is quick to respond. Here, perhaps more than anywhere else, is where Tesla's Silicon Valley DNA shines through.
So again, by your logic, M/T findings supersede yours regarding UX design preferences.
Per M/T, the Tesla has more usable rear room. See above. They are the subject matter experts remember?
The Tesla isn't as well damped (i.e. what you describe as 'rougher') due to it's dampers. I know 14 handling engineers, including one who just joined Tesla from Genesis who can change the ride balance of the Tesla and have it in production in 8 months. I've driven a Ohms equipped Model Y and it had a world class ride. Suspension is a hell of a lot easier to address than possible hardware or network charging issues, and that again isn't debatable. More weight isn't best for a great ride. So I bet on that getting fixed just as easily if we can hand wave product advantages away with speculation, as you've done with the Tesla charging network.
I can't speak to the value of the tax credit unless I know the deprecation curve of the Mach E over 24 months. And you can't either so if the Tesla has the charging network, software advantage, can tow and deprecates at a lower % (which can all but wipe out the credit with an additional 10% of deprecation per year based on the Mach Es pricing vs the Tesla Y) how is it a better value when taking in mind true cost of ownership, which is a more accurate indicator of money spent/saved=value?
Again, the matter experts found the back seat more comfortable in the Tesla and more usable cargo room.
You've stated no issue with C/D not making an apples to apples comparison, so why the mention of the M/T discrepancy? Strange.
The MME is a significantly better value, currently, due to the $7,500 tax credit...
You're not wrong, some non-Beta Tesla features feel a bit premature sometimes. But, does that make OTA upgrade capability a net negative? Tesla pushes out regular updates, while every car I've ever owned has sent me exactly zero updates. So it seems like a good thing generally.Improvements after a delivery could also be interpreted as an indictment of Tesla's "push it out - fix it later" philosophy...
No those were two different questions. But feel free to answer why this timed test goes against your own account within this thread.I already answered your question.
So you want just a 30 second summary?Sorry, I don’t have the energy to answer these insanely long posts. You and Motor Trend are obviously right. C&D and my own eyes are obviously wrong. The MY is clearly the superior vehicle. Glad we’ve settled this.
I count functionality of car driving over the ability to be hands free. It is ridiculous when they just use the “hands free” as a metric.It was also reported here that the Ford handsfree system allows you to be handsfree and is a superior system to AP.
Via this test, Ford allowed you to not have your hand on without warning for 12 seconds. The Tesla: 52 seconds.
No those were two different questions. But feel free to answer why this timed test goes against your own account within this thread.
I’m beginning to see this pattern of ignoring selective information that doesn’t fit a narrative. I’ve said these products are pretty closely as just products, with the Ford more on the scale of a sporty SUV.There is no point. @FordMME ignores posts he can’t handle responding too.
He’s a troll. I’m a fan of the MME. I’m on record rooting for it. That said I’m happy to call it out for its shortcomings. This user has come to this thread multiple times posting that the MME is simply better. It usually boils down to looks and the larger less efficient pack.
He clearly is trying to validate his own questions about his purchase. On another note it’ll be interesting to see how MME customers handle the battery degradation of their larger less efficient pack in a year or two…