laservet
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Didn't he say that would happen when robotaxi software is ready?
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From Y to Audi e-tron: a Comparison
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Yes. And in that context, the statement made sense. Especially before Covid. And it hasn’t helped that FSD keeps getting pushed out.
Elon has also said that prices during Covid were embarrassingly high and that he hopes to lower prices in the future. Which they did do.
LOL- “with my Teslas”.
Seems you are making quite the effort on here to bash the cars and brand. Pics of “your Teslas” and having to remove the fender liners, or it didn’t happen…
sleepydoc
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Teslas have plenty of issues - all you have to do is look. That doesn’t mean they’re bad, but they’re not perfect.
We've owned an X, we currently have a 3 and Y. I have plenty of threads, photos, and videos capturing my experiences with them. I think Tesla makes a great DD, but I'm also transparent about what I don't like.
Thanks for this info. My wife and I are retired as well. I've been driving a Model 3 since Dec 2021 and have to confess I'm a bit of a Tesla fanboy. We just replaced my wife's 2021 Acura RDX with a 2024 Model Y and I love it. She is still getting over her "emotional" attachment to the Acura. But I think she will be OK once she gets used to it. Meanwhile, we are considering going to one car once the lease is up on my Model 3, so your post helps contribute to our knowledge of other (non-Tesla) options for the future. By the way, as a side note--and not to get into a pro/con discussion of leasing vs buying... Both of our Tesla's are leased (as have been all our cars since 1988) and leasing does away with any potential concern about resale value. I find the unpredictability and volatility of Tesla pricing to be another reason to lease. Just a thought.
I mean, yes, if the first thing he said that was outrageously ridiculous wasn't outrageously ridiculous, then the second thing he said that was outrageously ridiculous wouldn't have been, as it was predicated on the first.
In other news I plan on hitting a 2000 lb personal best in bench press this year, and a 3000 lb squat. I will be entering the next US olympics in powerlifting and win.
He believes that robotaxi is possible. People can disagree with that possibility.
sleepydoc
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tradosaurus
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Don't let him off the hook for being wrong. This is not a philosophical difference; he was wrong.
He said in 2019 there would be a one million robotaxi fleet in 2020. Outrageously ridiculous (nobody at the time believed this). he also said in 2019 that “Buying a car today is an investment into the future. I think the most profound thing is that if you buy a Tesla today, I believe you are buying an appreciating asset, not a depreciating asset.”. Also outrageously ridiculous.
Putting money where one’s mouth is, or cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face? My 82 year old father also makes certain decisions with such kinds of uncharacteristically emotional “logic.” I don’t give credit or cast aspersions because we still have the freedom to spend money however we see fit, with no explanation necessary. In fact, I’d rather not hear the explanation since it’s much too difficult to not judge. And “my political team tells me I shouldn’t like the guy who makes my car,” as an explanation, is much too easy to get judgey about.You know how parents are, can't reason with embut, regardless what they choose I say more power to them. They are putting their money where their mouth is, where most people are just complaining.
I’m looking forward to hearing the unsolicited political commentary the first time we show up in a new MY.
I had an interesting and at least part-related conversation with a friend this past weekend. He has just bought a new Audi RS3, which is a fantastic car. But as I turned up in my MYP, the conversation quickly came around to why he didn’t choose to go electric (which I have no issue with btw, each to their own).
My interest was more around his perception of EV and more specifically Tesla:
My interest was more around his perception of EV and more specifically Tesla:
- ‘Why can’t I use my mobile phone in the car yet Tesla drivers are allowed to spend the journey fiddling around on that big tablet?’
- I pointed out that I don’t do much (if any) fiddling around with the tablet. The wipers, lights, etc are all automated. I’m on EAP. The Sat Nav and MMI is significantly better than the Audi equivalent. I never change the AC/Heating as the 19C suits us in all conditions. The car chooses all my settings against my profile. Simples
- And even if I did have to change any of the above, I can do it via voice control and/or a simple change on the screen. If I did want to change the temp for example, is it any more or less complicated than it is for him in his Audi?
- ‘Long journeys are a pain what with having to stop and charge all the time’
- I’ve just come back from a long journey. 400 miles each way. One stop en-route at a SC where I actually had to slide the charge limit up to 95% just so we had enough time to finish our lunch. Literally added no time to our journey. In fact I was able to slide the car straight into a nice Tesla marked parking spot and walk away. As opposed to finding a much tighter space in the very busy Service Station car park
- ‘The RS3 is sooooo fast’
- It sure is. A couple of tenths quicker than my family sized SUV
- It sure is. A couple of tenths quicker than my family sized SUV
- ‘The RS3 sounds amazing’
- It does indeed. That’s one thing an EV will never be able to compete with!
Audi was kind of our dream car for a while. I still might get one, but a gas powered one has likely also sailed for me. TBH I'd look at Volvo as I enjoyed my last two and they are taking electrification fairly seriously.I had an interesting and at least part-related conversation with a friend this past weekend. He has just bought a new Audi RS3, which is a fantastic car. But as I turned up in my MYP, the conversation quickly came around to why he didn’t choose to go electric (which I have no issue with btw, each to their own).
My interest was more around his perception of EV and more specifically Tesla:
Let me be clear. I love Audi, and have always dreamed I would one day own an RS (RS4 probably). But that ship has sailed. Equally and as I said above, each to their own. It’s just those ‘opinions’ which seem to be based on very little evidence or education. It’s like listening to a Trump speech – lots of noise and opinion but nothing in the way of fact or evidence
- ‘Why can’t I use my mobile phone in the car yet Tesla drivers are allowed to spend the journey fiddling around on that big tablet?’
- I pointed out that I don’t do much (if any) fiddling around with the tablet. The wipers, lights, etc are all automated. I’m on EAP. The Sat Nav and MMI is significantly better than the Audi equivalent. I never change the AC/Heating as the 19C suits us in all conditions. The car chooses all my settings against my profile. Simples
- And even if I did have to change any of the above, I can do it via voice control and/or a simple change on the screen. If I did want to change the temp for example, is it any more or less complicated than it is for him in his Audi?
- ‘Long journeys are a pain what with having to stop and charge all the time’
- I’ve just come back from a long journey. 400 miles each way. One stop en-route at a SC where I actually had to slide the charge limit up to 95% just so we had enough time to finish our lunch. Literally added no time to our journey. In fact I was able to slide the car straight into a nice Tesla marked parking spot and walk away. As opposed to finding a much tighter space in the very busy Service Station car park
- ‘The RS3 is sooooo fast’
- It sure is. A couple of tenths quicker than my family sized SUV
- ‘The RS3 sounds amazing’
- It does indeed. That’s one thing an EV will never be able to compete with!
As for your friend, it continues to disappoint me that people are so incredibly biased against these as well as defensive. Going back 20 years it's been impossible to tell some people you bought a hybrid without them instinctively and desperately feeling the need to opine on it in some negative way. It's a very strange coping mechanism.
If somebody tells me EVs suck on a long trip I agree with them. I do think they suck relatively speaking. But in so many (most other) ways they are better. Nothing is perfect. 20 mpg also sucks. Getting an oil change every several months sucks. Pressing the gas pedal and waiting a moment for the car to respond sucks, etc.
laservet
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FWIW, robotaxis are currently operating in about 20 cities worldwide; Waymo just received permission for robotaxi service in Los Angeles. It's a bit later than Musk predicted, but it turned out to be a lot more difficult than everyone originally thought.
And for the record, he wasn't the only one who thought they could have autonomous robotaxis running by 2020. GM, Ford, even Nissan said they would have them by 2020. So everyone was wrong, and they were all wrong because it turned out to be much more difficult to accomplish than anyone anticipated. But it is happening now.
Being 4 years late in bringing it to market, especially since COVID hit in 2020, isn't a big deal in the long run. Musk could have done what Waymo did and he would have had it 2-3 years ago, but it would have all the drawbacks of a system that only operates in precisely geomapped areas.
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Also, putting tens of thousands dollar worth of equipment on top of each car roof and operate them is not for profit for sure.
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