Battery Charge Level Will Be Restricted

[tga]

You got a first generation A battery. Wonder what the range is on a full charge... Your supercharging will be limited to 90kw due to the early battery. Maybe you have a classic S?

To add to @apacheguy's post, an A pack isn't always the dreaded A pack - the version letters only apply for the same base part number (for @SPXMike's pack, 1107172-00). My 2014 pack is 1014114-00-E.

When Tesla issues a new part number, they reset the version letter to A, so the whole "A pack" thing fell apart when they issued new part numbers for packs. The first 90 and 100 kWh packs would have A version letters as well, since they get a new part number. Think of it as <major version>-<minor version>-<revision>. This is pretty standard for automotive part numbering.

I don't know what they did for the software limited 60's and 70's - if they used a 75kWh sticker and part number or a new one to hide the bigger internal capacity - I've never seen one of those packs in person. I should check a friend's 60D the next time I see it.

 

[apacheguy]

The pack might be a re-manufactured A pack that has at least some new cells in it and they gave it a new serial number. Alternatively they may make a small number of legacy packs for older cars to swap out when needed.

The -00- in the part number indicates that this is a brand new battery and not remanufactured.

 

[wdolson]

From what I can see of the part numbers, the original pack part numbers all started 10 and this is 11. You can still get parts for legacy cars that aren't made anymore. Body shops get them all the time. They probably make a small number of packs for the classic cars too.

 

[SPXMike]

@apacheguy - I stopped at the Rancho Cucamonga supercharger on my way to Big Bear Lake Thurs evening. This charge schedule is after I switched to an unpaired charger. I did see a peak of 110 kW when I first plugged in. After leaving the SC @90% SOC, I made it to Big Bear Lake with 52%, then yesterday I left with 50% and drove 90 miles to my house arriving with 30% (downhill all the way). Hope this is useful.

 

[apacheguy]

Seems similar to mine with a 2014 D revision pack.

40 % - 99 kw
50 - 84
60 - 63
70 - 54

I guess they aren't using the new cells or they just haven't updated the BMS on the new 85 kWh packs.

 

[bamaguy]

I recently got the OP's same error message. Local SC (2+hours away - Atlanta) called a local flatbed to transport the car to the SC friday afternoon. Got a text from the SC Monday mid-day advising that the battery was bad and had to be sent to CA and that it would take 2 TO 3 MONTHS to get a new battery. They are out of loaners for now, but are promising one soon'ish'. I guess there is nothing i can do, but 3 months seems a bit ridiculous for what i would think is an expected failure - certainly they knew batteries would fail??!! Anyone else having the same error? If so, what is your SC telling you?

 

[MP3Mike]

They are out of loaners for now, but are promising one soon'ish'.

Out of loner batteries or cars?

Normally for this situation it takes them a couple days to get you a loaner battery that you use for the months while your battery is being transported and repaired. (And you may be given a loaner car while you wait for the loaner battery.)

 

[bamaguy]

They said they were out of both...... 'those batteries are hard to come by right now' to be precise. Should have loaner in the next day or two, but im not holding my breath.

 

[apacheguy]

@bamaguy how many miles on the odo?

 

[GJ79]

I had similar issue and they put a loaner battery on my car. It took. It took almost 8 months till I got my own pack back but I was ok putting the miles on the loaner pack.

 

[bamaguy]

77,000 on the odo..... Im happy with a loaner as long as its better than my car ;- last loaner was MX P100D

 

[Musterion]

@SPXMike, you got a rare new 2017 85kWh battery that shipped with some 75D cars and was initially sighted in Europe. Check this post for an example: 75 and 75D variants increased performance from July 1st - software and hardware improvements? The entire thread has related posts on what might be going on behind the scenes.

Is your car a 75D?

EDIT: I see you have a P85+. This battery/car combination is unique then as far as what I've seen. Those packs have only been reported in new 75D cars so far.

 

[apacheguy]

@Musterion - yes, we had already reached that conclusion. Tesla apparently ran out of loaner packs and so they are pulling new ones off the line.

Is Tesla reintroducting 85 kWh variants?

 

[Musterion]

@apacheguy: Gotcha, just discovered the other thread on this, thanks! And do you still have the venerable 1014114-00-A ?

EDIT: Ah, you have a 2014 battery on a #255 Sig?

 

[apacheguy]

Yeah, there aren't many of us Sigs with new batteries, but yes I was in a similar situation where my original pack could not be repaired. Can't say I miss it

 

[Musterion]

Yeah, there aren't many of us Sigs with new batteries, but yes I was in a similar situation where my original pack could not be repaired. Can't say I miss it

That's awesome. I am keeping my distinction as "last recorded classic-A battery delivered" per the battery/VIN table we kept back in the day. Battery still going strong with ~1% degradation/yr. And supercharging does not exhibit throttling seen on the new chemistry batteries, so in some scenarios it may even now be faster to charge than the throttled new packs capable of higher peak charging rates...I'm working on some plots.

 

[SPXMike]

Still on the loaner battery. Been two months now. Car runs fine - I'm in no hurry to get my original battery back.

 

[agloutney]

I'm in the same situation. December 2014 "E" pack died in June. They had no loaner packs so they lent me a 100D. Now they are telling me they are 95% sure I will get a new pack so possibly the same version you've been loaned? Did you notice how many miles a full charge gets you?

 

[SPXMike]

@agloutney The display says 243 rated miles at 89% charge. I haven't been keeping track, and I usually display percent, not miles. It does seem that my daily round trip commute of 56 miles seems to use slightly less percentage of the battery than before. I'll start keeping track and let you know.

 

[agloutney]

Thanks, much appreciated. There was some speculation the new 85 packs were actually pretty close to a 90 pack.