Watch the video again and notice the white smoke streaming from the small shed to the right. Did the fire originate there or the car first? Tesla Model S caught fire / Her står Teslaen i full fyr - YouTube
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The one in the left looks holstered in this pic.
And the one on the right looks holstered in this pic. Not sure if those cables are the SC cables or internal cables.
There is definitely smoke coming from that shed where the transformer is located... If this was caused by the Supercharger itself, I hope this doesn't negatively impact Tesla's ability to obtain property leases for new Supercharger installations. I also wonder if there is any possibility that the equipment had been tampered with?
So the conclusion of the fire is, based on the pictures:
- a temporary charger unit overheated while charging the car, resulted in the cabinet to explode. The MS caught fire and this resulted in the total car loss.
"Nothing" to worry about really. This is not a structural problem for TM. A matter of stricter installation/safety guidelines when installing a charger unit.
- a temporary charger unit overheated while charging the car, resulted in the cabinet to explode. The MS caught fire and this resulted in the total car loss.
"Nothing" to worry about really. This is not a structural problem for TM. A matter of stricter installation/safety guidelines when installing a charger unit.
You have three sheds. The one directly behind the burning Tesla is where the supercharger cabinets for the permanent superchargers are housed. The red one I think houses the transformer for the hotel - it predates the superchargers. And then a bit further behind the burning Tesla, you have the main transformer for the supercharger. Circled in red.
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I doubt the charger failure caused the car to catch fire, but it's more than possible that a fire in the car damaged the charger, which caused a transformer overload.
The reason I doubt that we're seeing a charger failure is that there is a doubly-redundant pair of contactors, one at the car side and one at the charger side. Should a failure in the charger occur, causing the system voltage to rise, the contactors should disengage, preventing much energy from being dumped into the car. Also, the charger unit used in the Model S has complete isolation between the HVB and the mains connection, so a mains-side transient can't inject much, if any, energy into the system.
My impression is that a lot of people are overreacting on this event. If I read statements like "buyers will never trust EV's again; the battery is a potential bom; no passengers allowed in the car while supercharging; TSLA shares will go down; supercharger design faulted;.... "
Let's wait until further investigation has been done and the Norwegian CSI team has revealed the real cause of this event.
No captain Picard facepalm, but a Spock image would be more in place
I am serious and I agree. It is more a matter of foreseeability or cause and effect that are up in the air and unknowns right now.
Look I am a very happy Tesla owner. So much so that I have referred tons of people regardless of reward programs or not (Friends, family, business associates, etc.). I am also a decent sized stock holder.
I am simply saying I will could not leave any aged person in a Tesla while supercharging after seeing that picture and not worry. That is until we fully understand what happened. Then we can know the foreseeable risks if any. I am not bashing Tesla or being one sided here. We simply must learn what caused this before I feel as safe as I did before. I am not comparing to ICE cars or ICE statistics. Of course a tesla is better and I agree. Thats why I own one.
You might find this post interesting: WK057 is pretty well known on TMC, especially when it comes to the electronics in a model S. he has torn apart a battery pack..etc. etc...
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...vements-2016?p=1302596&viewfull=1#post1302596
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...vements-2016?p=1302596&viewfull=1#post1302596
I actually thought this one was more useful:
Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2016 - Page 8
Some good discussion going on in that other thread.
Walter
From that WK057 post, about "bus bars" accidentally being used. VIN25XXX was likely serviced in the days/week before it caught fire. It was just bought. I know I'm adding a face palm here, but have to wonder if employees of a service center in Norway aren't a little nervous. They wouldn't use bus bars, but is it possible someone could have bypassed a fuse during a routine charge port replacement? The VIN implies a "B" battery. That is more odds-making but it helps not point to a 90kw max "A" unit somehow getting 115kw.
There have been plenty of US-spec cars exported to Norway. I'm sure there are a few A packs still running around, though the charge port would be incompatible with the SpC there.
No, not many. I think two or three. A couple of demo cars and one in the Bergen area, all made in 2012.
Yeah, that's all correct but it's one thing to know and another thing to actually do it. So my plan is to try it because in emergency situations people tend to freak out, and I would encourage other people to test it as well. If I was a parent my primary concern would be that my kids could hit the manual release under the carpet.
There are so many cases completely unrelated to fire that you want to get passengers out of the car. I don't care to compare it to an ICE car, but to acknowledge the reality of what it takes to escape a car we own. The biggest danger is probably escaping the car due to flooding (flash floods, etc), and not fire.
So instead of freaking out about this fire which we have no idea what caused it we should focus on knowing our cars, and creating a simple guide of how to test escaping this car if there is an electrical glitch/problem. What fuses to pull to test it.
stopcrazypp
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Looking at the latest pictures, I think it is clear the fire started in the rear of the car. It doesn't seem likely it was the battery then. Hopefully there is still enough left to find out the cause.
