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Lol. If you "take long cold trips every-now-and-then" but don't have a routine that smart conditioning or an app can follow, what do you want? Do you want the car to just guess when you will do this?

The native Tesla app (or Echo, or Home) already allows you to preheat/precool upon tap/command. 3rd party apps (for those people reading this who want to know options) can even do this on a schedule.
Every-now-and-then doesn't mean knee-jerk-random. ETD is known. Even with most short cold trips. Meetings, parties, games, etc. They'd all make good use of climate-on scheduling. Buy an Echo? or Home? Oh what the heck, I'll just hire a secretary!!
 
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Schedule your charge to complete 30 minutes prior to your departure. Then preheat for 15-30 minutes (depending on ambient temperature).

Preheating for more than 30 minutes is absolutely nuts. You are basically heating the space around your car in addition to your interior and battery (which, if you schedule your charge correctly will already be warm). You are NOT creating 24kWh of "thermal storage" you are just wasting electricity.

Finally, turn range mode on when you start the drive so the battery heater does not kick in (which it shouldn't if you time your charge properly). I have a 30 minute commute daily. I leave a warm garage in the morning, but drive home with a 10-12 hour cold-soaked battery. My Wh/mi is consistently within 5% on those two drives.
Myself I don't like to turn the range mode on mainly because in the cold temperature it becomes uncomfortable inside and you raise the temperature to be so it doesn't worth it unless your almost out of range
 
Well, look at the screenshot below. Now there is that battery icon in there that wasn't there for years - it is relatively new (I've seen if at least a few weeks now, maybe longer).

*EDIT*: Note - the icon appears a little while after the heating is turned on, not immediately. Almost enough to give up waiting and miss it - i.e. red arrows showing hot air appear first without the battery icon. [end edit]

There was an announcement I heard or read somewhere (forgot)... but I was able to uncover the following:

Tesla is working on a battery pre-heating feature to maximize efficiency in cold climates

Thank you for the info... and on the pictures is it by pre-heat the cabin or just the batteries?
 
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Myself I don't like to turn the range mode on mainly because in the cold temperature it becomes uncomfortable inside and you raise the temperature to be so it doesn't worth it unless your almost out of range
I have heard this before, but have not experienced it.

I drove 275 miles a couple weeks ago in temps averaging 14F (per TeslaFi) and was comfortable. In fact on one segment my inside temp averaged 74F so having Range Mode on didn't seem to impact the ability to get the cabin toasty if I wanted it.
 
Well, look at the screenshot below. Now there is that battery icon in there that wasn't there for years - it is relatively new (I've seen if at least a few weeks now, maybe longer).

*EDIT*: Note - the icon appears a little while after the heating is turned on, not immediately. Almost enough to give up waiting and miss it - i.e. red arrows showing hot air appear first without the battery icon. [end edit]

There was an announcement I heard or read somewhere (forgot)... but I was able to uncover the following:

Tesla is working on a battery pre-heating feature to maximize efficiency in cold climates

s the EDIT note says the battery icon appear about 2-3 minutes after I put the climate control on BUT is it possible to just pre-heat the battery by the Tesla App without putting the cabin on?
 
s the EDIT note says the battery icon appear about 2-3 minutes after I put the climate control on BUT is it possible to just pre-heat the battery by the Tesla App without putting the cabin on?
Nope - you cannot pre-heat battery alone. Although it may be interesting to try setting the temperature low enough that it isn't putting much amperage into cabin heat.
 
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Thank you for the info... and on the pictures is it by pre-heat the cabin or just the batteries?

This is a normal cabin heat ("climate") screen. The only thing new in it I noticed is the battery icon. It may only be an indicator of state (cold battery) and not of heating but I am hoping for something more - if it isn't already there it should be "soon" (the Tesla kind of "soon" ).
 
I figured I would share some of my tips for increasing range in winter (for longer trips). We have an MX 60D, best car ever, do a ton of driving, and live in a very cold place (Montreal). We rarely have range concerns and more importantly, the more we drive our car in the winter, the better we understand how to affect range. So here goes. Don't be shy to correct any of my math/assumptions. Because folks on this forum tend to be :)

First of, here is my understanding of why range can be an issue in the winter time:

1. Cold air is denser, so drag is greater, 15C vs -15C translates to roughly 12% more drag. This is then multiplied by the cube of speed!
2. Heating the cabin is expensive (2-6 kWh)
3. Rolling resistance is usually higher in the winter time due to snow/ice/rain on roads and ice buildup on cars makes them less aerodynamic
4. Finally cold batteries have higher internal resistance and this is elephant in the room! When I start my drive on a cold day (-15C to -20C). My battery will likely be the same as outdoor temperature (slightly higher). At some point this winter we stayed a full week at our cottage at -25C to -35C!. After about 1-2 hours of driving, the battery usually warms up (can be seen by the regen limitation disappearing) and within two hours you have full regen (battery is now >15C). If you have observed this in your car, you probably also noticed that your consumption was at least 2X rated. The heating of the battery comes from the onboard heater (if you have range mode off) but also comes from the battery's internal resistance. Numbers: a 1200 lbs battery needs 19 kWh to go from -15C to 15C (1200lbs*54(temp delta)/3412(BTUs per kWh) and 25 kWh to go from -25C to 15C. So in my MX 60, about half of the capacity can be lost to waste heat. This is far more significant than the 3 other factors listed above.


3 tips for getting near rated range in the winter time (sorted by most impactful):
1. Preheat. A lot. I will preheat (with range mode off) for up to 4-5 hours If I know that I need the range. Ex for a 250 KM drive (My rated is 310KM). If you have a 6 KW charger, you will need 4 hours to to generate 24 kWh or enough to bring your battery to ideal temp. I like to keep my climate setting at 18C when preheating so that the bulk of the power comes from shore and not from my battery. Preheating like this has a night and day effect on range. If you can park indoors, even better. Preheating gives you a thermal storage equivalent of 25+kWh. Try it.
2. Try to not exceed 20-30 KW of power. Specially with a cold battery. So don't accelerate hard, don't regen hard (coast vs regen). This will again limit the power losses in the battery. Bjorn has a great video on Youtube showing how to very quickly heat up your battery by accelerating and decelerating like crazy. Yes, do the EXACT opposite of what he is doing :) What is incredible in his video is seeing how quickly you can heat up a battery by having a heavy foot. That's 10s of kWh lost in minutes ... So go easy. This has also made me a much better/zen driver. My Bernese Mountain dog in the back really likes my driving :)
3. Drive slower. Because of drag being much greater in winter and because of v cubed. CUBED!!!!

If you are still reading, here are some more tips:
1. Use seat heaters. It's by far the most efficient way to heat humans in a Tesla
2. The "% Battery left" in the navigation system needs about 10 minutes of driving to show an accurate estimate, but it works very very well and I use it as my "budget" for fun things like speed and heat
3. Pick your charging stops in a way that your battery is warm upon arrival. This will speed up charging. Ex, I charge at a stop just before arriving to my ski location (fast warm charging) VS charging apres ski (cold battery slow charging).

Elon/Tesla if you are reading, here is my wish list for some software:

1. Conditioning feature: I want to be able to set my departure time at, say 7 AM, hit "yes" on the popup warning me that this will result in more electricity cost, and have the car (using only available shore power) preheat the battery, then the cabin, then top off the battery so that by 7 AM, I have the optimal conditions and the best best range ever. Heck, I would like the battery heated to 35C-40C, so that this extra heat can be used as cabin heat for the next 1-2 hours. Can you imagine getting better than rated range in -20C!!! Come on Elon.
2. Make chill mode more chill and make chill mode chill Autopilot. I avoid using excessive acceleration and deceleration to improve range. It would be great if Autopilot didn't take my speed setting as a do or die challenge. Allowing +-3 KM from set point would improve range drastically by eliminating needless (60%-efficient-at-best-regen AKA regen) and high KW bursts on small hill climbs. We love Autopilot. I think it's incredible that Tesla was able to develop it so quickly and it's amazing how much safer and easier it makes our drives but my wife and I now do this voiceover/if Autopilot could talk thing and it goes something like this: *deep 8 year old eager boy voice* "You want me to follow that car.... Yah Yah, i can do that i can i can. Go go go... Oh no, oh no, regen regen regen. No wait, wait, i got this, i got this, go go go...." And we're like, Chill dude... Driving under an overhead sign (circa Q1 2017, he doesn't do it anymore): *the same 8 year old with the deep voice* "My mom always said life was like a box of ch... AHHHHH THING!!! THING THING, break break br... oh oh oh wait, where did it go?" And we're like, no Boo (car's name) it was just an overhead sign. It's okay, we still love you.

Hope that was helpful...

Elon is you are still reading:

1. This one is more complicated but can be very impactful for range. I have arrived to destination with 0%-1% left on my battery on MANY occasions with no worries about running out. I use my speed and zen driving as my variables to manage my "budget". It would be great if my Tesla can automatically reduce max power to help automate what I do manually. Guaranteeing arrival time and using the full capacity of the battery. Right now, power limitations only kick in when the battery is very low (too late). Having such a feature would allow users to use up the 10%-20% of the battery that they usually put aside as buffer. To cancel this feature, the user can simply kick down on the accelerator and the limitations would be reset...
2. Unlock Boo and all other 60Ds or just Boo :)
3. Platoon feature: All the hardware and most of the software is already in place to do this.
4. Also Good job, you are killing it.

Good points. Mine works well in -22C even with the heater on full blast. I can go all day.
 
Just plan ahead, finish a slower overnight 40A charge to 90% so that it's done just when you leave. All will be warm. Weston, CT
I’ve tried this...on cold days (<2c..that’s cold in UK), but still have limited regen which suggests battery is not totally warm. That said, often I’m only topping up with 20-30% charge so maybe just not enough charging time to warm completely
 
I’ve tried this...on cold days (<2c..that’s cold in UK), but still have limited regen which suggests battery is not totally warm. That said, often I’m only topping up with 20-30% charge so maybe just not enough charging time to warm completely

At what rate are you charging? Charging slow = little battery heating. Also, if you are preheatin the cabin at the same time, much of that power may be going there, not into the battery, leaving less to charge (and heat) the battery.

I have original dual chargers that let me charge at 80A and even then they still don't hear the battery all the way in a short period of time. This is why OP suggested (too) many hours of preheating - you essentially use escaped cabin heat to warm up the entire car, including the battery. I do not advise that, but it is what it is.
 
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I'd like to add one more thing of why range can be an issue in the winter time: regen is limited.
Although the OP mention it but not stated it separately.
From my data collected by Scan my tesla, the regen is 14% of the total discharge, which is significant to affect the range.
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And from several runs of cold whether driving, I gather some data points of how much regen related to the battery average temperature in degree C:
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As can be seen, below 0C, there is no regen at all; above 22C, there will be full regen (100kWh), and the mid-point regen (50kW) is around 17.5C.

My car is X 100D, it could be different for others such as 75D.

Also, I preheat test my car using app at below freezing temperature for about 30min, and the destine temp is 23C, here is the chart:
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The max power is 10kW, which is cabin heater and battery heater combined. If the cabin heater is 6.1kW, then the battery heater will be 3.5kW, minus 0.4kW for other loss such as the DC-DC converter.
 
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My BMW i3 had departure time and I miss that feature. It was great to get into a toasty car every morning with 100% charge ready to go. I imagine the trick would be to balance conditioning with charging. With the X having so much range, I don't need to charge it every night. I just want to plug it in to condition.
There are apps for that. I use this Android app to complete a charge by a departure time (or end of good rates time).

Departure time for work (90%) or roadtrip (100%): Dashboard for Tesla

Hope you have a special case to charge your car to 100% everyday (i.e. 60 kWh w/75kWh pack, or long distance commuter, etc)
 
There are apps for that. I use this Android app to complete a charge by a departure time (or end of good rates time).

Departure time for work (90%) or roadtrip (100%): Dashboard for Tesla

Hope you have a special case to charge your car to 100% everyday (i.e. 60 kWh w/75kWh pack, or long distance commuter, etc)

Would use this App, but pricing model is ridiculous; $5/month for an App? Additional features for more money? Have never seen an App with this crazy of a pricing model. Guess to each their won, and I am probably conditioned to a certain pricing range for Apps, but this pricing model is over the top for me.
 
Elon/Tesla if you are reading, here is my wish list for some software:


1. Conditioning feature: I want to be able to set my departure time at, say 7 AM, hit "yes" on the popup warning me that this will result in more electricity cost, and........


You made a great post on how to get more out of your X Boo.

You do not have to wait for Elon to fulfill your requests for better charging and warming features. Its here now if you have an Android phone, ( don't know about apple) go to play store and d/l app Dashboard for Tesla. This app will do what your asking for. We've been using this app for a year now and don't even think about charging and having car fully charged just before we need it all warmed up and charged to our setpoint.

Now it has features that are free but to get fully customizable presets you will need to pay once a couple of bucks for. We loved the app so much the first few days that we bought almost all the upgrades to support the software. Less than $20. oo if I remember correctly. I have no connections with this program, I do have a Model X however that now takes full advantage of these great features now.

Elons guys have done very little to advance the Tesla App in the almost two years we have owned our X and I would think Tesla would add all these Dashboard features and more to existing tesla app. But till then try Dashboard out, I can tell you will really enjoy it.

Gary
So you use this instead of the Tesla App?
 
Would use this App, but pricing model is ridiculous; $5/month for an App? Additional features for more money? Have never seen an App with this crazy of a pricing model. Guess to each their won, and I am probably conditioned to a certain pricing range for Apps, but this pricing model is over the top for me.
I had subscriptions as well. However, I'm confused. It is $15 on-time not $5/month. Perhaps you misread that. It is $5 if you just want to use/trial it for a month or two. No one would do that continually since you can get it for infinity for $15! Same as someone would not subscribe daily for $0.99 in the chart!!! It is so worth the priced. Think about eating out at lunch or dinner once. I did pay for some additional options and consider them worth every penny. Developer is responsive and has a thread on this forum. I have NO affiliation at all ... just a very happy user.
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At what rate are you charging? Charging slow = little battery heating. Also, if you are preheatin the cabin at the same time, much of that power may be going there, not into the battery, leaving less to charge (and heat) the battery.

I have original dual chargers that let me charge at 80A and even then they still don't hear the battery all the way in a short period of time. This is why OP suggested (too) many hours of preheating - you essentially use escaped cabin heat to warm up the entire car, including the battery. I do not advise that, but it is what it is.
Thanks, helpful. I'm usually charging w/o cabin heat until last 30mins when I heat cabin, but I am charging at 7kw (40A) so that would tally.