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It is not yet as convenient to trave long distance in an EV, IMHO. I am not sure if I would call that "range anxiety" but it is not far off. Many are in a hurry and don't want to wait for a charge when they are used to 5 minutes to fill, even though they may actually spent 20 minutes on a stop. But I certainly have to plan differently and I need more time to travel in my Model S than I needed with ICE cars previously. This will get better, but a lot of people are not "ready" for the extra watching of power levels and so many less places to stop for energy. My 2 cents.
EVs are the future and it will get better, easier, faster, I believe also.
And with the car of the century being a 70D, what does that make my 85D?
It does take some planning and a mental change to drive these cars, but it's completely worth it.
Agreed. The way so many articles describe a MS, it would seem range anxiety is a common situation. I too have to plan charging less than 1% of the time. The problem is the uninformed potential buyer, like my brother, reads these articles and the first thing he says to me is, "OMG, what about range anxiety?" Then I have to have this conversation with literally ALL of my relatives who ask the same question, over and over again...To drive them where?
To work and back with a stop at the store, no, it doesn't take any planning. or it takes less planning because you don't need to figure out when you're going to get gas. To drive them to the National Park in the next state over, yeah, that takes some changes.
but I do the latter style of driving less than 1% of the days. The other >99% of the days, I get in the car and go without thinking one whit about charging. Seriously, the only time a Tesla owner is likely to think about charging on the road, they're spending some time trip planning (e.g., what to pack, where to stay) anyway.
In the end it boils down to their one solid argument that they can fill a tank of gas in 5 minutes vs 40 minutes to charge. Unless you are lined up at a Costco gas station the argument is irrefutable, but I point out that my charge is free or practically free and I'm willing to wait for "free". If all else fails I offer to take them for a drive - that sells them pretty quickly on electric vehicles.
I understand, but if you believe like Elon does, and if any part of you/us believes in climate change, we have to change a lot of people's minds or it will not be pretty. So please keep trying to help people get it what this car (and other EVs) can/are doing.I just can't even be bothered to argue with these people anymore because they are just too dumb.
Is it really that irrefutable?
Waiting for my Model 3, I still drive around in a gasoline car. In my normal day to day driving, I do this "5 minutes fill up" once or twice a week. If I had been driving a Tesla - even a 60 - all my "fuel" would have came from the outlet at home. 0 minutes to "fill up".
On a longer trip it is something else. When I fill up on a longer trip I also use the rest room, and buy a few items, cool drinks or hot beverages, some junk-food etc. All this after I'm done filling up the car. Often we are several people who all have the same needs (restroom/food/drinks). This "5 minutes stop" usually go on to be 15/20 minutes or more. More if we get some descant food. The more people in the car, the longer and more often the pauses. And more often then not the stop is decided based on the need for a break then for the need to fill up. I don't say "It takes less time to charge then to fill up" (on a road trip), but that the real difference is not 5 minutes vs 40 minutes.
The article was good, but the comments are hilarious :smile:. There certainly are some narrow minded people in the world. I've noticed that when the ill-informed ICE driver gets cornered in his position he falls back to the old standby "long tailpipe" argument, claiming that your EV is still burning fossil fuels. Sigh! Yet this same supposedly educated individual completely ignores the amount of energy required to create a gallon of gas. Recent studies have shown that a typical ICE car uses as much electricity as a Tesla, and then STILL burns the fuel. I just can't even be bothered to argue with these people anymore because they are just too dumb.
Conversely I've had lots of people stop me to ask constructive questions about my car. The subject of range anxiety usually comes up, but I refute it pretty quickly. My Porsche got about 450kms per tank of premium gas and my Tesla gets 400kms with similar driving habits. They usually point out that there 125000 gas stations in the U.S. And I ask them how many electrical outlets there are in the same area? This usually makes them ponder a bit harder.
In the end it boils down to their one solid argument that they can fill a tank of gas in 5 minutes vs 40 minutes to charge. Unless you are lined up at a Costco gas station the argument is irrefutable, but I point out that my charge is free or practically free and I'm willing to wait for "free". If all else fails I offer to take them for a drive - that sells them pretty quickly on electric vehicles.
Is it really that irrefutable?
... but there's no question that charge time is one of the two major concerns of prospective EV buyers.
They usually point out that there 125000 gas stations in the U.S.. And I ask them how many electrical outlets there are in the same area? This usually makes them ponder a bit harder.
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