FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[Todd Burch]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1788610836719677776

Not sure I agree with Chuck’s conclusion here. They’ve obviously never gated a release on the success of this turn.

Agree. Testers out there really means nothing. They could be doing early testing of 12.6 for all we know. Or gathering data for 12.7.

 

[JulienW]

.... Or gathering data for 12.7.

Damn the could rightful be called V15.

 

[JulienW]

Actually smart summon and banish should be part of 12.4 going by Elon tweets

I got ASS 16 months ago.........going by Elon Tweets.

 

[JulienW]

I didn’t purchase FSD Supervised. I purchased FSD Beta with the understanding the beta tag would be removed when complete and not replaced with another tag.

Actually you bought FSD Capability package. FSD Beta was NEVER sold.

 

[FSDtester#1]

My impression too. I have a 2021 Model 3 (delivered at end of 2020) and it doesn't have IR lights for the cabin camera.

Thanks for the clarification, I wonder what the results would be if everyone waited until it was dark and held their phone camera at the cabin camera... would they see these infrared lights? I have noticed them in a bunch of youtube fsd videos flickering away in different models. I tested it myself and wondered what would happen with cabin monitoring if black tape was over those infrared lights...

 

[JulienW]

If you use 8 lidars - do you then ditch Vision completely? You probably need fewer than that if you leverage the existing Vision technology.

Wikipedia says that Waymo's lidars cost $7,500 per vehicle in 2017.

No you still NEED Vision/cameras. LiDAR is somewhat similar to Radar and can't "see" things in the human spectrum. For instance it can't read a sign or easily tell a tree trunk from a light pole. LiDAR works in the near IR band so shorter wave length than Radar (so more detail) but longer than human Vision (MUCH less detail).

 

[MP3Mike]

There goes all this Vision only nonsense. Q.E.D.

This could also be one of the things that got Elon upset and focused on cutting unnecessary expenditures: "What the ****? We wasted $2M on LiDAR last quarter? You're fired!"

 

[joelkfla]

Yeah if you want a reminder of what the old school buyers paid for here is your wayback post @run-the-joules (hasn't posted here in a few years)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/oey4g1/for_those_who_never_know_and_those_who_have

Where are the "Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled?"

 

[JulienW]

Where are the "Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled?"

With the Supercharger team of course.

 

[PianoAl]

Concerning getting rid of nags completely, I'd be surprised. Nags are a good thing, and stop my mind from wandering.

Well, apparently the cabin camera will better detect inattention, making the steering wheel nag necessary only when the camera can't monitor you sufficiently (hat, shades).

 

[enemji]

No you still NEED Vision/cameras. LiDAR is somewhat similar to Radar and can't "see" things in the human spectrum. For instance it can't read a sign or easily tell a tree trunk from a light pole. LiDAR works in the near IR band so shorter wave length than Radar (so more detail) but longer than human Vision (MUCH less detail).

LiDAR also cannot track lane markings, solid white, solid yellow etc… So for all intents and purposes if it were raining hard, or foggy, the car equipped with LiDAR is still not going to do any better than one with vision only.

 

[Scott Chapman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1788699101875310799

 

[JulienW]

About damn.......no make that WAY past damn time as in 6 weeks.

For us if offered 24.14.x I would NOT install. We should wait and see what happens with 12.4.x. I bet it will be on 24.9.x (or stay on 24.3.x) and 12.3.6 will be the "new" standard FSDS replacing 11.4.9.

 

[Mardak]

Do people's app show FSD Supervised version?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1788685057059664326

Maybe my app is outdated or the vehicle needs to be on a version newer than 2024.3.25?

 

[frankvb]

Do people's app show FSD Supervised version?

Maybe my app is outdated or the vehicle needs to be on a version newer than 2024.3.25?

Not showing on the Android app (I have 2024.3.25).

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

About damn.......no make that WAY past damn time as in 6 weeks.

For us if offered 24.14.x I would NOT install. We should wait and see what happens with 12.4.x. I bet it will be on 24.9.x (or stay on 24.3.x) and 12.3.6 will be the "new" standard FSDS replacing 11.4.9.

Regardless this will keep the spice flowing with the FSD mileage (on freeway) metrics for another month.

Then maybe NOA/AP v11 needed to keep the spice flowing.

Then after than maybe nothing needed if they are happy with that slope.

 

[gottagofast]

I got ASS 16 months ago.........going by Elon Tweets.

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Releasing soon is different from almost done

 

[Electroman]

Teala successfully finagled an FSD subscription from me

 

[PianoAl]

Tesla successfully finagled an FSD subscription from me

 

[aronth5]

At least we don't have to deal with the "junk" Mercedes Benz solution. This thread would have a melt down if we were using it.
To be fair this isn't the latest software version but still pretty bad.
Tesla FSD V12 vs Mercedes Driver Assist Video by Whole Mars Catalog on YouTube.com