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Dart board by a Tesla employee wearing dark sunglasses :)

Agree.

Good chance not much help based on the sunglasses requirement. Of course Elon never actually said nags were going away. The Tesla community just jumped to a lot of conclusions based on one word replies by Elon. That happens a lot. We'll just have to see how the new monitoring system has...

Just to clarify there is no U-turn on this road. It's simply a 2 lane secondary road. FSD just stops in the lane I'm in and sits there forever. I've been told 5 years ago the road was closed for bridge construction but the road has been open for years. If you drive the road from the other...

Has anyone had a mapped route where FSD turns onto a state road, goes .1 tenth of mile and simply stops and stays in the middle of the lane where the route indicates a U-turn? Then displays a message the maneuver isn't supported? The car won't do anything but block the lane. Been doing this...

v12.3.6 is working pretty well but the one area that is a bit worse now has nothing to do with the version. Now that foliage is fully out at a lot of the low visibility intersections I have require additional creep time. Probably an additional 2-3 seconds since FSD has to creep further so the...

Exactly. HW4 is running in HW3 simulation mode so until that changes any comparisions of HW3 vs. HW4 is incomplete.

Agree. Meaningless is being kind.

Your continued insistence that Chuck's UPL is a simple turn has grown tiresome. I'm going to refrain from any further posts on this subject. Glad to see you're a minority of 1.

Until someone in the crossing traffic coming from the right slows and stops in the median blocking FSD's path to turn left. This has happened on several of Chuck's efforts so he had to keep waiting and waiting until that car could finally go and cross in front of him making a left. Oh I...

Simple turns are not having to cross traffic, especially high speed traffic going in both directions. Chuck's turn is not simple but any measure.

That wasn't the question though. Do you consider Chuck's UPL a simple turn?

Who else agrees with @AlanSubie4Life that Chuck's turn is simple for a human?

Set up a YouTube account which is easy, upload the video their then create a link here. Voila!

Here is you answer. Many drivers will defer to pick up truck owners simply based on how aggressive they drive.

This matter has been covered extensively in the regular V12 thread. Well known limitation just like lack of support for school busses, emergency vehicles, hand gestures, pot holes and backing up. I have seen some support for school zones with the type of school zone signs where I live but we'll...

Not a priority until they replace the single highway stack which will be in V12.5. Maybe then. Even now FSD on the highway appears to be more capable than Drive Pilot. The only thing needed is a graceful handoff when the driver has to take over. I definitely agree with you that it's...

I think you have a good chance of being right.

Nice to see Elon's message that the separate highway stack will be going away fairly soon. One has to assume they will focuse on fine tuning as they approach 8/8 so need to get rid of the big things.

The only constant is change so new members are great!

Just curious why you don't use voice messaging so you're not holding your phone?

Or the easiest way for me is to either have my left arm on the door rest with my hand lightly holding the wheel or the right arm on the center rest with the hand on the wheel. Just let the wheel slide thru the hand on the wheel when the car turns. I've been doing this for almost 3 years now...

I've been pushing L3 for a long time with phase 1 implemented for controlled access highways. Until recently the response was mostly negative or silence. However I think the negativity is beginning to change as more and more people bring L3 up. Especially after seeing how limited Mercedes...

That would be great. My only 2 disengagements today were both coming up to construction sites with police managing traffic flow with hand gestures. Once most potholes get fixed hand gestures are easily my top disengagement. Hand held stop/go signs are not used here.

Yup no support for hand gestures yet so no surprise. Hopefully by the time V12.5 is released FSD will support them.

I've tested FSD slowing down at the school zone flashing lights above and below the sign and it's 11 for 12. (2 different schools) With no flashing lights FSD doesn't slow down. Never did this until recently but I cannot confirm which V12.3.x version. I agree with you that consistency will...

Our town is clearly smarter and has flashing lights with the sign when school is open :) . FSD does recognize the flashing lights and slows down but since there is no sign telling FSD the school zone is over FSD increases speed when the car is about halfway past the school zone.

Service could tell you but they may not know. I know because when I first got FSD on my Model 3 FSD was doing some crazy stuff. So bad I called Service and they diagnosed the cameras were not all fully calibrated and mentioned percentages. They also told me the rear camera showed it wasn't...

It would be interesting to know what percentage of people subscribe to the service and what percentage of their time in rush hour traffic actually results in legally scrolling on their phones etc.? If Tesla wanted to provide the same capability on the highway with far less restrictions they...

With all the negativity by some about FSD this was refreshing

I don't care about the video. The fact remains Drive Pilot has extreme limitations in how it can be used that were verified in the Car and Driver review that was linked earlier. See post #29. I'm trying to understand why someone would prefer Drive Pilot with a subscription cost of...

Just googled U-turns in Ohio and this statement is not accurate. There are lots of conditions in Ohio where U-turns are legal. Besides the Jug handle B turn you questioned @enemji i is very different. Although not common we have a few in Mass as well. You have the option to go straight...

But we are not talking about L2, just Drive Pilot

Since you didn't answer my question I'll assume you don't drive at night or in the rain or over 50mph with a lead car otherwise you wouldn't have said you prefer Driver Pilot of FSD.

I've seen similar articles as well. If Tesla decides to turn right instead of taking Chuck's complex UPL turn I'd be fine with that. That type of intersection is certainly one of the most difficult so just go up the street .2 miles and use the traffic light and turn left. (this option was...

Yup, but the L3 Drive Pilot limitations like below 40mph, highway only, with a lead car, only daytime, with no rain is still valid.

When TeslaFi has 43% of their customers on 2024.8.9 that until recently couldn't get FSD V12 one has to wonder how that was handled.

For me it's once every several thousand miles now. I'm a bit north and west of Boston so I avoid a lot of the more difficult driving closer to the city. I know for many who post here they would disagree with the following statement but this is what I tell people now when they ask me about FSD...

Oh so you don't drive at night or in the rain or over 50mph?

From Car and Driver review of L3 Drive Pilot. "Drive Pilot has strict parameters for its use. It's available only on mapped highways and during daylight when there is no rain or snow and the traffic is below 40 mph." The functionality is so limited I wonder why anyone would ever consider...

Since there is no source to validate the 2% assumption the thread is pretty much useless.

I guess I'm doing pretty well. 845k miles driven. Zero accidents of any kind. My insurance company has made a lot of money off of me.

I had a similar experience the other day when a car wanted to pull out from a CVS parking across 2 lanes to turn left. FSD stopped short of the line of cars in front of me and let the car cross to make the turn. At first I wasn't sure why FSD stopped until I saw the car trying to come out...

Agree, but the one advantage FSD does have are the front cameras are higher on the windshield so the cameras have a better view then humans and will see the pothole sooner. Whether that slight advantage will actually mean anything I don't know but I'm doubtful. Perhaps part of the solution is...

Before V12 FSD actually did a better job at responding quickly to speed zone changes when passing a speed zone sign. This was after a lot of complaints over a year by testers who were concerned of getting speeding tickets. V12 basically broke that functionality so hopefully they can fix the...

That was informative. Thank you.

AlanSubie4Life said: Nope to v11 being better than v12. I just loved your answer. You just couldn't bring yourself to say outright V12 is better than V11 :)

The point is you can never just respond with a simple answer. You always complicate whatever the post is. @FSDtester@1 was stating "V12 is way better than V11". You disagreed and mention usage. Usage had nothing to do with his post. So let's try again. Do you believe V12 is better than...

Another week and still no critical safety disengagements in a long time. Some regular disengagements of course. Got me to thinking. What if I never disengaged or used the accelerator pedal what percentage of my drives would "successfully" reach the destination? Sure that would mean I'd annoy...

Agree. For anyone who disliked your post I'd be curious why. Do you think V11 is better than V12?