ATPMSD
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put constant torque on the wheel
If you “hang” you hand on the wheel, this is what you are doing.
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put constant torque on the wheel
What additional commands would you like to see implemented?voice only works soso
Better voice recognition. It used to be great, but rarely understands me. It's certainly worse in my MS than my MY.What additional commands would you like to see implemented?
You can get away with a lot of screen poking and looking around as long as you have a hand on the wheel.
This is not true.You can poke at the screen for a long time if you're holding the wheel.
I've gotten 2 or 3 completely false defeat device complaints (I don't have one) to which I immediately yank the wheel to disconnect and then leave them some spicy swearing as a comment. That's annoying but not a daily issue, my more daily problem is I do like to relax by driving with both hands on the wheel like driving class teaches. Two handed driving isn't allowed in this car -- you're only allowed to drive with one hand or the other and putting continuous pressure on -- and its tiring and unsafe. I *can* drive fine hanging my arm as a weight on one side or the other without complaints and only an occasional disconnect during a freeway curve.1. Haven't got the update yet.
2. Had a new error message this week during highway driving on FSDb. The blue flash started then the audio. The driver had responded to the flash as usual (additional torque by the arm already in position through the wheel) but it didn't work and went to audio warning so at that point I'm watching the screen (driver is, you know, actually attentive so not looking at the screen.) Two warnings were coming up. The first was the pay attention. The second was a triangle with an exclamation point saying something like, "Defeat device detected."
We own no defeat device and have not updated the car in response to the recall but this was a new response to the driver's torque method that has been used for over 10K of highway driving on AP/EAP and then FSDb.
(Here's a reddit post with a picture of the same warning: )
What pissed me off completely was that the warning appeared for a second then disappeared so while I was reading it to the driver, the driver didn't believe me that this was something new since it wasn't on the screen when they looked at the screen (and it didn't show up under the notifications when I pulled those up.) The effin design of the warning completely forces driver distraction in order to prevent driver distraction. If you are going to put messages on the screen, leave them there long enough to be read by the driver when they have a moment to glance over safely. Alternatively, build the effin car correctly, with a heads up display to eliminate the driver having to move head and adjust eye focus to read the warning AND put in a steering wheel sensor so that the car is warning for improper use of the L2 "fake self driving" not constantly throwing up false positives thus making defeat devices seem like the only solution to being able to use the driver assist feature one paid for.
I was going to point this out. The NTSB had nothing to do with the latest recall, it was fully the NHTSA. The NTSB does get involved in certain crash investigations, but there was no indication they were involved in the current recall, although some of the fixes may align with previous recommendations (which NHTSA didn't make Tesla follow).Just for clarity, the NTSB is an investigative agency and can only make recommendations, which they did. They also criticized the NHTSA. Tesla made changes at the behest of The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
”Tesla…agreed to a voluntary recall implementing some software changes, though it did not agree with the NHTSA's analysis”
I like the concept behind the control board based anti-nag device but do not feel comfortable disassembling the steering wheel and messing with the airbag to install it. Is there another option that isn't as risky, maybe using the CANBUS/OBDII port instead?
If you keep your eyes on the road and off the screen it does fine.It can seem at times a nearly constant annoyance, imho
I don’t have this problem in a 2018 Model 3 running 2023.44.30.8, FSD 11.4.9.That's annoying but not a daily issue, my more daily problem is I do like to relax by driving with both hands on the wheel like driving class teaches. Two handed driving isn't allowed in this car -- you're only allowed to drive with one hand or the other and putting continuous pressure on -- and its tiring and unsafe
l’ve posted this elsewhere but:I do and still get nagged.
The two fool proof ways I've found to stop the nagging is to either put constant torque on the wheel (almost fighting against the AP without giving it too much to actually knock it out of AP) or to occasionally articulate the scroll wheels every few seconds.
Your 2018 m3 doesn’t have a cockpit camera does it? Mine doesn’t.I don’t have this problem in a 2018 Model 3 running 2023.44.30.8, FSD 11.4.9.
If you just drive with two hands and forget about applying pressure it works great, with nearly zero nagging, as long as eyes are locked on the road and conditions provide excellent certainty for the system. That’s what I do.
As soon as eyes drift to the screen at all you will open yourself up to torque nags and even pay attention nags (has to be egregious).
Mine does. Did not realize any Model 3 did NOT come with cabin camera (though of course they lacked IR illuminators until recent years). I thought they were all supposed to be Robotaxi Ready (TM).You’re 2018 m3 doesn’t have a cockpit camera does it? Mine doesn’t.
(TLDR: contiguous torque no longer works, now need periodic direction switching)
However, momentarily reversing the torque dismisses the nag instantly.
I don’t think there is much value in it. Just dismiss with torque counter to whatever you happen to have (if any), when it appears.For example, I wonder if there is any difference between providing continuous torque vs none at all.
I'm not so sure. My nags when hand free are similar to Omar on v12. He was clearly using a cheat device (or Elon mode) in his recent v11 videos.People have gotten used to acknowledging nags with a scroll wheel adjustment or a quick grab of the wheel, then going back to hands-off until the next nag. The new update is very intolerant of this practice
Yes, right after posting that, I thought, am I sure I have no cabin camera? Pretty sure no IR illuminators, though.Mine does. Did not realize any Model 3 did NOT come with cabin camera (though of course they lacked IR illuminators until recent years). I thought they were all supposed to be Robotaxi Ready (TM).
I'm thinking of figuring out how to disconnect the speakers or amplifier with a mechanical switch because the emergency lane stuff is always alarming (in dumb places like the drivethrough and my driveway) and it scares the crap out of everyone in the car. I don't want to completely disable it because I want it to help if I pass out or fall asleep on the freeway, its a great safety feature.