thats really interesting, what are the ethics of disabling a sensor without telling the driver? seems a bit dumb to me. mine was alarming all the time so i switched it off/lowest setting.
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[UK] 2021.4.x
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MrBadger
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Quite. You can also extend that to the ethics of modifying vehicle behaviour too.
As Tesla don't support any meaningful release opt out / LTS or provide at least some info in the release notes you don't really get any say in the matter. Everyone is a guinea pig. I personally do get some enjoyment in test driving each new release on a familiar set of routes just to see what seems to have changed, but that won't suit everyone.
MrBadger
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In my experience, standard seems to make a small difference in not getting some bleeding edge releases, but not all. Certainly no evidence that advanced gives you any priority - you get a release when Tesla decide.
The current release line (4.15.x) is a good example. Normally I am on standard but recently I briefly changed to advanced, hoping not to put a blocker the nav update. We picked up 4.15.6, the start of the 4.15.x line. A few days later, when we got the nav update, I changed back to standard, Since then, whilst on standard, I've taken 2 further day 1 releases, ie releases on the day it was first available. ie standard did not defer the release. As this release line seems to be turning into a bit of a rollercoaster, I might just temporarily revert back to advanced though.
There is however some speculation that the 4.15.x line has had an issue, so a quick fix pushed out. So I looked at my release history on TeslaFi. Since early last year when I have been on standard, the majority of the releases have been offered to me (not necessarily installed) between 1 and 4 days since the release was first available. So standard did not significantly delay things in these cases.
The issue with ignoring releases, which I have done on many occasions, for up to 75 days (thanks to lockdown) is that once downloaded (not connecting to wifi helps with non critical releases), the car will nag you on every drive to install. Its only a matter of time before you, or someone else triggers the install. And thats before ignoring the Tesla warnings about not installing an update may invalidate warranty.
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It’s interesting how random the release of the Nav update is. Yours is a 2019 model with FSD, mine is 2020 with FSD. I’ve kept mine on advanced and have worked through the 4.15.x route up to 4.15.10. No sign of a map update. There are only some cars on both this route and 4.18 receiving them. I can’t think of any logical reason for not rolling out generally other than server loading.
Cardo
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4.18 dropped for me, this morning. That adds to the new maps that landed this past weekend. FSD and normal upgrade path.
pdk42
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Drew57
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No FSD or EAP here but had the 2021.8 map update 8 days ago & then this morning 2021.4.18 (from .15).... so I presumably have more undetectable improvements plus bug fixes & their latest hatchlings.
It's been clear from the releases that Tesla are doing two paths (at least) to compare different change sets, this has been going on for a while now. Sometimes this can help narrow down defects, sometimes it can enable them to see which code performs better.
I really don't think it's anything but random as to which you end up with, because they wouldn't want to introduce a bias within the results. I even think the map update is the same approach, leave some of the fleet on the older one for a bit to compare the two.
That makes us equally all guinea pigs, regardless of release. For example... is it Ethical to hold back a potential safety improvement, is it ethical to be the first to use a potential safety improvement. There is an ethical debate both ways.
But stepping aside from ethics, It's a very logical approach and acknowledges they can never fully test everything themselves.
Maybe they need to be more clear about what standard and advanced release cycle means and stick to that.
I really don't think it's anything but random as to which you end up with, because they wouldn't want to introduce a bias within the results. I even think the map update is the same approach, leave some of the fleet on the older one for a bit to compare the two.
That makes us equally all guinea pigs, regardless of release. For example... is it Ethical to hold back a potential safety improvement, is it ethical to be the first to use a potential safety improvement. There is an ethical debate both ways.
But stepping aside from ethics, It's a very logical approach and acknowledges they can never fully test everything themselves.
Maybe they need to be more clear about what standard and advanced release cycle means and stick to that.
I've had mine since August 2019, there haven't been any other changes I can recall that changed the driving control. There were a bunch of changes to the menu structure for apps, and new apps when v10 came out.
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