sundaymorning
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Im an early adopter, I don’t have any beef about paying more for my car. The trickle down affect applies to any technology. Remember when flat screen tv use to sell for $20k? Same ones go for $500 now.
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Im an early adopter, I don’t have any beef about paying more for my car. The trickle down affect applies to any technology. Remember when flat screen tv use to sell for $20k? Same ones go for $500 now.
Yeah, the waambulance is parked at Electrek HQ tonight.
My friend ordered a P3D- this past Sunday, his car is built and on its way sans the now-free plus package, and he's not whining.
Winning comment from the Electrek article:
"Here's a headline: Guy earns free Tesla Roadster from referrals through his website, but then complains about $5,000 reduction in price for car."
"Here's a headline: Guy earns free Tesla Roadster from referrals through his website, but then complains about $5,000 reduction in price for car."
Founders' earnings include dividend, salary, and often they borrow against their large stake to do investment.
Ellison owns 30% of Oracle. My wild guess is that's 70% of his net, his total could be $80B or more. Wikipedia only knows publicly disclosed large stakes. If he has $5B in an index fund, or a small stake in Costco, Wiki and Forbes won't know.
In my experience, and I definitely have it, there hasn't ever been one. Caveman caveat: there has been a lot occur during my time as an Alaskan hermit so don't flagellate me if a counterexample pops up. But it's unlikely.
@neroden, Ellison had a $10.8B line of credit in 2015. Bloomberg - Are you a robot? Whatever portion of those funds were invested in 2015 have earned a healthy return so the funds available would be significantly greater today.
We don't know if he used the entire credit line but his largest investment from those funds is TSLA. We can speculate from there but hundreds of millions of $ seems like a given. Depending on how widely he's diversified his investments 1-2% of TSLA would not be out of the question. He's excited enough about TSLA that he spent a decent chunk of time on the Oracle ER call talking about it, which says something.
Also, aren't some of Blackrock's TSLA investments through index funds?
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Am I the only person who thinks that at least one of said "former employees" - if not the only one - is Tripp?
sundaymorning
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Tesla/Elon are on the offense. They smell blood and are attacking from all fronts: profits, Autopilot, production, China Factory. This is a tsunami of progress.
dc_h
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I would prefer to avoid a squeeze and have a nice gentle and steady rise. A short squeeze will fund a new generation of shorts, or give the Koch’s a new entry point to encourage other traders to come on board. A steady rise will just slowly bleed the shorts and let earnings and growth drive valuations. Tesla can be generating 2 billion a quarter a year from now and over 3 billion per quarter in 2020. For a company growing 70% over several years, 12 billion in earnings could be worth 200 billion market cap. Who needs a squeeze, when a nice long hug will do.
Why I'm Shorting Tesla Stock Heading Into Earnings: Stephen 'Sarge' Guilfoyle
This guy recommended shorting TSLA into earnings. He states that the panic point would be if the price crossed 320.
This guy recommended shorting TSLA into earnings. He states that the panic point would be if the price crossed 320.
I do not practice criminal law but this is my understanding from being involved in similar civil matters. Actually the FBI will gather facts for the DOJ prosecutor. The prosecutor will be considering whether he can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that EM intentionally lied about production. It seems to me that even if former employees said something is impossible, the real question is EM's motive and state of mind. Remember a jury must unanimously believe that EM intentionally lied for some purpose. This is not a civil case like the SEC regulators. The jury would have to strech a lot to find bad motive and EM constantly revised his optimism downward. Also the jury would likely hear or know how many times EM has accomplished the impossible. I am not saying there is not a risk of political prosecution but the DOJ would have an almost insurmountable hill with a jury especially in CA. I continue to believe that the FBI is professional and dedicated. However I do not have the same confidence in prosecutors. In essence this could be a drag on the stock.
Yeah but how does that makes sufficient evidence? How many people including industry experts told Elon landing rockets are impossible?
Maybe it is time to reflect on April 2013
They say history never repeats but sometimes ........
In April ,2013 Elon texted profitable quarter , the price was approx $ 45
On 8th May,2013 earnings were released and the price prior was $55
The next 5 days over 20m shares were traded each day , and by 31 May the price was $ 114
By 1st October 2013 the price had risen to $ 194 ( 5 month run approx )
My guess we will see $ 400 by the New Year
They say history never repeats but sometimes ........
In April ,2013 Elon texted profitable quarter , the price was approx $ 45
On 8th May,2013 earnings were released and the price prior was $55
The next 5 days over 20m shares were traded each day , and by 31 May the price was $ 114
By 1st October 2013 the price had risen to $ 194 ( 5 month run approx )
My guess we will see $ 400 by the New Year
It's not just a lack of political will to do the right thing. It's a sheer lack of understanding the whole American auto industry as well as Energy sector is being jeopardized by the systematic refusal of pushing ahead with investments and R&D into sustainable transport and energy production. How many well-paid American jobs does that represent?
I agree with you tis time folks wake up, as this could represent a direct threat to USA's prominence in the world order. And here we thought they was trying to make America great again.
dc_h
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Update, Private Guilfoyle covers at 330?
RFernatt
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tinm
2020 Model S LR+ Owner
[Reminds me of 2013... they've learned to be a little nicer now compared to 2013. Back then, I clicked "Confirm" for my S on the order page at 11:59:50, ten seconds before my order period would have timed out had I not confirmed. Then, a day later, Tesla announced major price hikes and revamps on the Premium Package and Sound system, and they introduced Parking Sensors for the first time, as an option. I talked to my DS and was told, basically, "Tough luck, you ordered, if you cancel and re-order, the same car (with "improved" versions of Premium & Sound, as well as Parking Sensors) will now cost $4750 more." So I bailed on getting parking sensors and took the car as-is. Oh well. 91000 miles later, I'm still driving the ol' clunker, and still loving every minute of it.]
The only shares I will sell above $400 are those held on margin. Only enough to cover margin.
I will survive just fine, but will fight for the car owners who don’t own TSLA. Tesla could have handled the massive drop better.
Hashtag #punishmentsecured if you feel like helping.
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