Futures so far down... Perhaps this isn't the day to be overly exuberant?
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Wow! That’s gonna be more competition in the island buying race...
ZachF
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Sales Statistics | OICA
Motor vehicle sales, Saudi Arabia:
2013: 740,000
2014: 828,200
2015: 830,100
2016: 655,500
2017: 500,601
2018: 403,857
2019: 528,883
Looks like, as with just about everything else, motor vehicle sales in SA are strongly correlated with oil prices
I have to ask: is your avatar an illustration from Titus Groan, from Mervyn Peake?
Unlikely.Will Tesla Semi come with Solar panels?
Also how about a TesX or SpaceLa -- Tesla/SpaceX Aircraft
Elon stated multiple times that solar panels are much more efficient in a static location, oriented to south or east, without shade. He's not a fan of panels on moving vehicles.
jkirkwood001
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Really people? 10 dislikes? I'm just stating facts.
Posted this morning from Bloomberg:
Tesla Approaches Milestone of World’s Most Valuable Carmaker
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Gearoid Reidy
June 11, 2020, 1:24 AM EDT Updated on June 11, 2020, 2:42 AM EDT
With a market capitalization of more than $190 billion, Tesla still has some distance to close to reach Toyota’s $210.5 billion valuation, which includes treasury shares, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. A rally of about another 11% in Tesla shares could see it claim the crown if Toyota holds steady, with Tesla already up 23% since the beginning of June.
Toyota’s market valuation includes the 14.3% of shares that Toyota itself holds as treasury stock, worth around $30 billion. Tesla doesn’t hold any treasury shares, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
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ByeByeJohnny
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But if you buy all the Toyota stocks you get the treasury stocks as well so the value is what you can buy all the stocks for which is around $180 billion.
I think it's not so much 'dislikes' as 'don't agree'
I think it's not so much 'dislikes' as 'don't agree'
Or people disagree with Bloombergs logic here. I found it informative that Bloomberg disagree with ohters re market cap.
Yes sometimes I remember to remind myself control is an illusion. Things will never make sense no matter how hard I try.Your choice of course, but wouldn’t you rather sleep like a baby?
Island prices going to make no difference to me.
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The Accountant
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Tell that to Bloomberg.
The market cap on Bloomberg is wrong because they have the incorrect number for "shares outstanding".
They are showing 1,631,5m shares outstanding when the correct number is approx 1,383.1m outstanding.
Shares outstanding in Japan are actually 2,766.2m but on the US exchange, the stocks are ADRs (American Depositary Receipts) and each ADR is 2 shares of the Japanese shares. Thus 2,766.2m shares outstanding on the Japan exchange is 1,383.1m on the US exchange.
EDIT: I see the problem now. As other members have mentioned, Bloomberg does not exclude treasury shares (which it should). When a company buys back stock they can either retire them or put them away in treasury (its like sticking them in a draw). Many keep them in treasury because it is easier to issue them again if needed (stock options, etc). Bloomberg needs to exclude the treasury shares from their calculation.
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Although they also provide 'gliders' which provide a new chassis for an old engine without pollution controls:
New-looking trucks with old, polluting engines could get a pass from Trump
The heavy truck market is very resistant to change. We should not overstate the rate of adoption for BEV, even when the economics are overwhelming. Obvious, cheap, lifesaving, fuelsaving techniques such as skirts below trailer and truck chassis are strongly resisted in the US.
Years ago there was a DOT program for truck and bus fuel economy. One of my best friends ran the program. I remember that the skirts paid for themselves within a typical two-month use, but operators resisted and refused. My friend gave the analogy of motorcycle riders who resisted using helmets.
Now think about Tesla Semi. To use that drivers much learn how to use touchscreens etc.
Given that today long-haul drivers in the US are increasingly Sikh, there may be a better outlook than before because the new generation is better educated and more adaptable. Large corporate fleets will, as they already are, experimenting. Mass adoption depends on driver acceptance, assuming FSD does not soon arrive in widespread use.
I admit it, there are serious analogies to the F-150 sized market in terms of readiness to change. Even if only 10% accept Semi that will rapidly become a major influence.
Krugerrand
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Tell that to Bloomberg.
Meh. So in another week/month/year/whatever when TSLA is $1100/$1420/$9000/whatever they’ll have a market cap of 250B/333B/1T and it just won’t matter what Toyota bought/sold/holds/whatever.
It’s silly to squabble over a few billion in marketcap when one company is positioning for world domination and the other is splattering buy our ‘amazing hybrids’ commercials all over TV. I almost bit the dust. Note to self: don’t eat cake while watching TV.
OT
Yep. Gormenghast is a unique series of books. I understand Neil Gaiman is working on a television adaptation.
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Spoken like a true multi-millionaire philanthropist!
TheTalkingMule
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Mnuchin on CNBC trying to blame economic disruption on BLM "riots and looting". What a tremendous piece of garbage.
How do you start out at Yale, move on to Goldman, and then end up as just a scumbag foreclosure and payday loan specialist?
How do you start out at Yale, move on to Goldman, and then end up as just a scumbag foreclosure and payday loan specialist?
Sudre
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On the other hand remember that a Foul Cell is nothing but a battery electric vehicle that has a fuel cell in it to charge the batteries. That means Nikola can use the fuel cell to make up for their lack in battery expertise until such time batteries and megachargers become more available then just drop the fuel cell part. They just have to convince the trucking industry that there is no way to install a megacharger at their facilities and instead they should install tanks to hold hydrogen that will slowing bleed off thru the tank walls.
Thinking about Tesla and Nikola at sales pitch time seems to me to favor Tesla. Tesla has everything in their corner. They have proven they have superior batteries. They have proven they have superior chargers AND they can install them quickly. They have proven that their product gets better AFTER you purchase it. SO.... what is Nikola's sales pitch?
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