humbaba
sleeping until $7000
despite refreshing the page, Market Watch can't seem to grok the new high: they are still showing the 52 week high as 548.58 
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Pezpunk
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shh my favorite show just came on.
JusRelax
Active Member
I'm guessing it's because if you're worried about 8k@$600, you have to worry about both the 8k@$600 AND the 11.7k@$550
SageBrush
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Todd Burch
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Sean Wagner
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Your point taycan.
Toyota has been printing money for decades by building run-of-the-mill cars. A manufacturing juggernaut. So I guess it's the ole "when they get serious about EVs, er, hydrogen" saw - without thinking through the seismic shifts that entails. But the race is on
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TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
That's what's so great about this new reality where raising funds costs nothing and the brand is standing alone at the top. They can produce and sell literally ANYTHING they want, even a ridiculous looking truck.
Personally I think the optimal move from here is to sell pack/drivetrains to a Ford competitor starting in 2023ish to accelerate the truck transition. Obviously I want absurd profit margins on these skateboards. Toyota Tacoma EV perhaps? I'd buy 9 of those.
jkirkwood001
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Um, okay, despite a couple of false alarms in the past (EU <> US$ conversion), I'm pretty sure Tesla has just passed VW group to be the second most valuable auto manufacturer in the world:
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StealthP3D
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No he didn't. He said you go from mostly manual at 50k to mostly automated at 600k. But it is still folded.
Drumheller
Active Member
My office is walking distance from Wedbush. Should I stop over in my Model S and insist they take a test drive? The saddest part is that they are about quarter of a mile, or less, from a Tesla showroom and two supercharger locations
They can get more knowledge easily
They can get more knowledge easily
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
With regard to Toyota, my thoughts:
They have succeeded in making a name for themselves as a manufacturer whose cars are highly reliable and profitable. However, they have done so precisely because they are very conservative, both from a design perspective and from a technical perspective. It's not super-difficult to master something when you do it the same way for decades.
While conservatism has benefitted them in the past, it could very well be their downfall in the future. First shown by their flawed decision to pursue hydrogen fuel cells and their inability to move on the EV front, their apparent lack of desire to put their neck out on the line for new technology will soon become a weight around their neck.
They have succeeded in making a name for themselves as a manufacturer whose cars are highly reliable and profitable. However, they have done so precisely because they are very conservative, both from a design perspective and from a technical perspective. It's not super-difficult to master something when you do it the same way for decades.
While conservatism has benefitted them in the past, it could very well be their downfall in the future. First shown by their flawed decision to pursue hydrogen fuel cells and their inability to move on the EV front, their apparent lack of desire to put their neck out on the line for new technology will soon become a weight around their neck.
StealthP3D
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It's not healthy to give grown kids more money than they need to live. They need the satisfaction of making their own lives.
You should convert his long TSLA position into a short TSLA position (for your son's sake).
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Krugerrand
Meow
I toured the Fremont factory on 12/31/2019. All I can say under signed NDA is I would not hold your breath for 2/2020. Then again, I'm not a production line installation consultant so wtf do I know? If they can build an entire GF3 in China in record time, maybe they can bring up and test a Model Y robotic final assembly line in record time also?? Time (or another factory tour under NDA!
This is not under NDA but educated guesses. Since the Model Y shares ~70% parts with the 3, then it seems they could have hand-assembled many test Model Y's and that is what we are seeing on the roads. My tour was abbreviated for New Year's Eve so the tram did not take us to see the huge stamping presses. My guess is they already have final or near-final molds for Model Y body panels and have stamped out enough of them to hand assemble the Model Y's they needed for testing.
They are called dies and die sets, not molds. Molds are what are used in making the castings and plastic parts. Different.
RobStark
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Elon only responded "I like turtles" a couple of times.
Ah, this explains why yesterday's pre-market looked like a step function! Thanks for knowing this!While Nasdaq early trading opens at 4am, few investors have access to the platform so early and liquidity is usually poor.
7am and 8am ET are when early trading facilities of big U.S. brokerages open, the margin call and other early trades usually accelerate at those timestamps. (13:00 and 14:00 central European time.)
So the early trading volume distribution is usually:
FWIIW, yesterday 7am-8am there was a weak bear attempt trying to push from $510 and getting to $507, only to be blown away by the 8am bullish price action.
- 4am-7am: low volume
- 7am-8am: moderate volume
- 8am-9:30am: moderate to high volume
(Or it might have been a clever and cheap head fake by a bullish fund, or a pessimistic investor. We'll never know.
Toyota's strategy at the moment seems to be to concentrate on plug-in hybrids whilst they wait for a breakthrough in solid-state batteries (good luck with that!). They're coming out with the Toyota RAV4 Prime in 2021:
2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime
I guess they're hoping to keep selling enough of these to meet emissions targets over the next few years.
The trouble with that strategy IMO is that BEVs will continue to get better and cheaper during that time and a complicated PHEV will make less and less sense.
All the Japanese auto makers seem to have a similar strategy.
2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime
I guess they're hoping to keep selling enough of these to meet emissions targets over the next few years.
The trouble with that strategy IMO is that BEVs will continue to get better and cheaper during that time and a complicated PHEV will make less and less sense.
All the Japanese auto makers seem to have a similar strategy.
SageBrush
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Tell that to Detroit
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