Yes, and what I specifically liked is that the answers from him were fact based, humble and respectful. That is how you win people over, not by reacting as an angry teenage boy whenever you are criticized. LIke this answer here:
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Also "two lanes wide", at least on our ancient European streets, with no USS...
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Got new version on both sides under warranty after one side started squeaking.
Mike Smith
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Elon Musk's company Hyperloop One is shutting down according to Electrek. Yet another absurd Musk venture burnt to a crisp in his bonfire of lies.
Edit: Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
Edit: Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
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Hyperloop One was a Virgin company (see logo in that photo) based on Elon's draft tech paper for hyperloop, not his company.Elon Musk's company Hyperloop One is shutting down according to Electrek. Yet another absurd Musk venture burnt to a crisp in his bonfire of lies.
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Or did you forget the /s?
Whew, faith in humanity (on the thread) restored.
The headline is super misleading and wrong, but I've gotta give some credit for the pun...
Virgin Hyperloop was using pipes...
If Elon were to make a Hyperloop link it would likely use tunnels
Yes, almost. I equivocated only because the specific requirements of AG are more precise than are those of INC. LTD, in UK practice need not be public at all, more does the US INC. If we are to be precise AG and PLC are nearly identical in practice since, alone (IIRC) those two are defined as public companies. Note: I am NOT an attorney-at-law anywhere. I have participated in the formation of many companies around the world, so end out knowing more than I should about all this. Despite that I an NOT an authority. OTOH, I’ve formed INC, AG, LTD, PLC and a variety of equivalent forms.More correctly, it corresponds to INC in American. In English, it corresponds to PLC or LTD.
FWIW, each major legal structure has significant technical differences and in some places Common Law applies and tends to have many vaguely defined terms while Civil Law places tend to be more defined. Alone, more or less, are the Germanic systems which tend to be more precise than are others.
These terms for non-personal business entities are therefore slightly ambiguous in many places such as the US where the terms can be used for public companies or even individual ownership (subchapter S) by opting for different taxation rules. Not so much in Germany, where the practices are clearly defined.
These issues become quite relevant to TSLA and the Musk-originated entities because the TSLA relationships with ‘related’ companies can present major issues regarding trading in intellectual property and specific technologies (e.g. Inconel variants, Octovalve) between those companies including the former Grohmann. When we think of the ever-so-slightly pedantic discussion between @ggr and myself just think of how serious the legal and business risks can be if someone makes incorrect generalizations on these issues, especially considering the issues of corporate governance and control. All this ignores the evolving California vs Texas vs New York issues that loom large for TSLA even though they spawn almost no attention here. Explicitly New York (Buffalo, remember), Is also a player. Those are just the surface of the US. The 300-odd tax jurisdictions in Texas also are quite material.
Net: boring this subject may be. Crucial to our interests. Absolutely! We have @The Accountant and others for taxation and income/expense/capital structure issues. we don’t have equivalent authority on internationa law and legal structures. We really need that expertise.
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Ah, but jbcarioca dates from 2004 while unk45 dates from 1967. So you’re reversing them. Both probably share all the same defects and perhaps some similar other characteristics too.
Buckminster
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I have been truly inspired today! Let me explain...
Invariably at a dinner party or random group gathering the subject of Tesla or Elon will come up. Never clear where the conversation will go from there, but Mrs. Toe will often chime in in a disdainful voice (especially if there is alcohol involved) something along the lines of "don't be so enamoured with Electric Jesus", with particular emphasis on the Electric Jesus part.
Side note: Mrs. Toe's TSLA holdings are about 1% of RubberToes, so draw your own conclusions concerning her behavior. Anyhoo, this always leaves me pretty uncomfortable, and at that point the whole discussion often goes sideways, and often not in a good way.
I now have the perfect retort, and simply can't wait for the next time this happens. I just say in a perfectly calm, matter of fact, and deadpan tone: "He's not Electric Jesus, he's the Muskiah". This is absolutely going to bring the entire discussion to a dead stop, with everyone looking at me with a puzzled look, if not mouth gaping wide open. Follow up line literally wrote itself: "Not the Messiah, the Muskiah"!
Full credit goes to @Musskiah, for the inspiration, and possibly the best TMC handle I have ever seen. I'll see if I can't record a video of this, would make for an epic movie scene.
RT
Invariably at a dinner party or random group gathering the subject of Tesla or Elon will come up. Never clear where the conversation will go from there, but Mrs. Toe will often chime in in a disdainful voice (especially if there is alcohol involved) something along the lines of "don't be so enamoured with Electric Jesus", with particular emphasis on the Electric Jesus part.
Side note: Mrs. Toe's TSLA holdings are about 1% of RubberToes, so draw your own conclusions concerning her behavior. Anyhoo, this always leaves me pretty uncomfortable, and at that point the whole discussion often goes sideways, and often not in a good way.
I now have the perfect retort, and simply can't wait for the next time this happens. I just say in a perfectly calm, matter of fact, and deadpan tone: "He's not Electric Jesus, he's the Muskiah". This is absolutely going to bring the entire discussion to a dead stop, with everyone looking at me with a puzzled look, if not mouth gaping wide open. Follow up line literally wrote itself: "Not the Messiah, the Muskiah"!
Full credit goes to @Musskiah, for the inspiration, and possibly the best TMC handle I have ever seen. I'll see if I can't record a video of this, would make for an epic movie scene.
RT
Buckminster
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Strong economy, low inflation
No change to TSLA
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No change to TSLA
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I realize dufusses live in a different world from most of you, but we are social in our way. Personally, I have never heard , been involved in or just observed a conversation concerning Mr Musk that was negative.in fact I’m not sure he has ever come up in any way.
Most live on the rock and some under the rock.
The ones on the rock got crazy zany ( musk haters) company and the ones under the rock got the Boring company .
Location ,Location ,Location !
Musskiah
DisGruntled
F$@& Yeah Brother. You gotta a get flagrant with it!
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cliff harris
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I think broadly, as an investment community we should always absolutely be wary of personal attacks on anyone. Maybe cathie was right about X and wrong about Y. Maybe Gary Black is wrong about Y and right about X. Nobody, even Elon, is right about everything all the time.
I also think that Gerber, Gary and Cathie are all intelligent and informed people, and are VERY supportive of Tesla as a company, and invest in it. The same is also true for Troy.
I don't agree with the analysis of all those people all the time. I think Gary over-values quaterly data, and think cathie is delusional about bitcoin. But these are all intelligent, informed people, with different backgrounds, skills and experiences, and I keep an eye on what all of them day.
The best investors listen to a wide range of analysis regarding the investments they hold or consider. We probably all need the occasional pessimistic Troy estimate to keep the hyperbole in check. We probably all need a bit of cathie's optimism about FSD. We all need a reminder from Gary about how wall st views things.
Lets not lump in Gary, Cathie, Troy or Gerber with the likes of true clowns like GJ and that guy who lost his parents money with his imaginary hedge fund.
I also think that Gerber, Gary and Cathie are all intelligent and informed people, and are VERY supportive of Tesla as a company, and invest in it. The same is also true for Troy.
I don't agree with the analysis of all those people all the time. I think Gary over-values quaterly data, and think cathie is delusional about bitcoin. But these are all intelligent, informed people, with different backgrounds, skills and experiences, and I keep an eye on what all of them day.
The best investors listen to a wide range of analysis regarding the investments they hold or consider. We probably all need the occasional pessimistic Troy estimate to keep the hyperbole in check. We probably all need a bit of cathie's optimism about FSD. We all need a reminder from Gary about how wall st views things.
Lets not lump in Gary, Cathie, Troy or Gerber with the likes of true clowns like GJ and that guy who lost his parents money with his imaginary hedge fund.
Musskiah
DisGruntled
Sleeping on the couch is occasionally worth one in the Win column...
Elon Musk's company Hyperloop One is shutting down according to Electrek. Yet another absurd Musk venture burnt to a crisp in his bonfire of lies.
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Edit: Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
I wonder if this is a case of "Prototypes are easy, manufacturing is hard."
While Elon gave away the foundation for engineering the product, part of the secret sauce he imbues his companies with is revolutionary manufacturing concepts and processes along with a healthy dash of cost-control.
While his plate is already full to the point of overflowing, it would be interesting to see how an ElonCo stab at this would go... and as mentioned above for many endeavors it seems like a natural pairing with The Boring Company...
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
What utter twaddle! Do they mean Virgin Hyperloop One, with Chairman Richard Branson? You'd expect such shenanigans from Boomburg, but from FredTrik? I'm shocked! /s
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