thesmokingman
Active Member
Damn that's a lot of black MYPs!
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If someone else has already provided a similar reason for a disagree I assume you wouldn't want other disagreers making another comment?@Gigapress’s post immediately prior to yours is an excellent example of an appropriate response to a likely scurrilous post. On the other hand, every single “response” to the aforesaid post that was, in entirety, a “Disagree”, could justifiably be considered as nothing more elucidating than a potential “Oh! That does not fit with my perfect vision of the world of Tesla, so I’m going to downvote it!”.
Is that fair? No, it probably is not. But without Discourse, without a reasoned counter, such posts are either as meaningless, as useless, as damaging to the mission, or more so, than the objected post itself.
The best explanation about global warming Elon did was IMHO at this 2015 talk* -(or search YouTube for "Elon Musk talk at the Sorbonne") -with this graphic explanation Elon aptly calls "the turd in the punchbowl", how introducing huge amounts of carbon extracted from underground completely upset the CO2 balance that had existed for millenia on earth. And what governments need to do in order to facilitate the transition to sustainable energy. What of course no government has done so far (correct me if I am wrong), which is to price the externality, put a proper price on carbon. Thus removing the hidden Trillion $ subsidy for fossil fuels.
Elon Musk talk at the Sorbonne 2015 - Conversation avec Elon Musk à Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne
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Elon Musk talk at the Sorbonne 2015 Conversation avec Elon Musk à Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne
(*) altho now that I think about it, it may not be understood by some (considering my experience talkgin with run of the mill folks, some, like literary types do have a problem understanding concepts however obvious they seem to more science aware folks).
I think many countries have high taxes on fossil fuels, In Norway 1 litre diesel is about 2.2 euros now, maybe 10% more for gasoline.
ICE cars have 25% tax, EVs have 0%.
If there is a frustration on my part with that talk, it is that we knew precisely everything presented therein during early 1980s graduate school, and all of the concepts plus much of the details in undergrad in the late 1970s. That was a dozen - or even more! - years ago.
How anyone could provide a “Disagree” to your post is mind-boggling, unless it is because someone sensed condescension toward “literary types”, or calling others “run of the mill”. Eggshell-walking in this forum sometimes is good advice. But it also shows why I am strident in my calls NOT TO USE that downward thumb icon! Without a real post, no one knows why another finds disagreement with his posting.
Couldn’t help myself…I’m not going to explain each disagree. That’s a ridiculous idea. I think most disagrees will be for obvious reasons. If you disagree with this, then I disagree with you, for disagreeing with this.
As I recall, Elon mentioned something recently about curtailing drones once the factories were operational.There's some discussion on twitter that Tesla is blocking drone flights over GigaBerlin. Hopefully just an administrative issue. It would be a shame not to be able to follow the progress.
That disagree is because you’re wrong and you’re participation on this forum is suspect, imo.Regulators dont care about numbers and statistics coming FROM Tesla, about Tesla.
I do respect your opinion, @AudubonB, more than most, less than some others - many thanks for coordinating and shepherding this thread.I hope I have earned from all participants their respect, confidence and the reliability of my own posts over the many years I have molded and massaged this thread and forum that my statements can be taken at face value. I certainly am not going to abuse others’ trust in giving the evidence you request; particularly because I have not read any kind of answer to my question: “To what non-prurient interest, to what good use would amassing these data go?”.
This is basic. I strongly believe it to be true. It is rare, not unheard of, but rare that anyone with substantial investments is unlikely to disclose specifics, barring legal requirement to disclose. Divorce is a traditional occasion for discovery.On the “How Much Invested” polls:
I will guarantee all that the larger the amount owned, the more reticent the holder is in divulging his or her position, and this is irrespective of any anonymity of the pool…
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Pollsters tend to know that internet fan polls have precisely zero validity. They are fun sometimes but have no information value. Certainly there are many of us who’ve done very well with TSLA if they started in 2020 or before.I do respect your opinion, @AudubonB, more than most, less than some others - many thanks for coordinating and shepherding this thread.
But what's great about this social media forum is the democracy of opinion, and that we each get to see where we add value, and that the members who get the highest % of positive votes and are - again, according to the data - the most respected for their opinions.
Neither poll put any anonymous source at risk IMO. It was optional, "democratic", and - yes - trusted the majority wouldn't lie if they completed it. It sacrificed some accuracy to preserve the anonymity of the members.
Furthermore, you asked why have a poll. Who amongst us investors thinks it's worthless to learn:
- Over 65% of us (okay, "those who responded") …-
I will explain my disagree... there are already way too many responses to darkandstormy's recent post. I have them on ignore but obviously not everyone does. I don't need to read everyone's responses to their bs post. Just ignore or disagree. They should have been banned already imo.What if pressing the Thumb's Down icon immediately opened up a Reply to the post?
If the disagree-er doesn't offer a reply, their disagree goes away.
In a perfect world ...
Not sure why he also restricts anyone but people he follows
I will explain my disagree... there are already way too many responses to darkandstormy's recent post. I have them on ignore but obviously not everyone does. I don't need to read everyone's responses to their bs post. Just ignore or disagree. They should have been banned already imo.
Edit: Now that I have caught up with the thread, same with brn2run. They are clearly not a Tesla investor. They have ulterior motives. I am now ignoring them. They should also be banned imo.
Perhaps for that one specific store.If this report is true, the ID.3 is not doing well in China. No orders in May and only 6 units sold so far in 2022.
Can this be correct?
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That would be me. All completely worthless imaginings.Who amongst us investors thinks it's worthless to learn:
The recent amount of articles suggesting legacy auto is looking at impending death in the Chinese market suggests otherwise.Perhaps for that one specific store.
I don’t like or respect ANY “Me too”-ers. Adding something to a discussion, however, is what discourse is all about.If someone else has already provided a similar reason for a disagree I assume you wouldn't want other disagreers making another comment?
Me too!I don’t like or respect ANY “Me too”-ers.