Tesla Model S CPO Website - Now Live

[HankLloydRight]

I did consider the auction style set up two days ago... For any specific configuration, the highest bidder gets the first alert notice. It was late at night and I just laughed out loud at myself.

 

[tga]

I remember reading about someone getting rusty rotors replaced. Having said that, rotors are cast iron. They rust. Not a big deal (at least from a safety/performance standpoint).

Yes that's pretty normal too.
Rust on rotor is - every single car out there that has not been driven for 2 weeks. Drive if for a couple of days and the rust will rub off.

Now that I'm at a real keyboard, I'll add a couple of thoughts. I've also annotated one of Jaeger's photos for clarification:

Rust in the "swept area" will disappear almost instantly when you step on the brake pedal (but not with regen braking, since that doesn't use the friction brakes). This is the area where the pads clamp down on the brake disc. The pads will act like heavy sandpaper and very quickly scrub off the rust. Since this area has freshly exposed cast iron, it will rust quickly if the brakes aren't applied for a few days, especially if the discs get wet. Rust here is normal, doesn't effect braking, and scrubs off almost instantly.

Rust on the "hat" portion of the rotor is there to stay, unless manually removed. It's also normal and doesn't effect braking, but it's unsightly. If it's really bad, I suppose it's possible for rusty water to drip down and stain the rims, but I've never seen it happen.

Type "rotor hat rust" in the search box at the top of the page; there are some useful threads.

As an aside, I've replaced several rotors on a number of cars (Mini, Porsche, Audi, Saturn, Subaru), and most, if not all, of the replacements (OEM or dealer-sourced) came with a high-temp grey paint over the entire rotor (including the swept area). It wears off the braking surface instantly, and prevents rusting on the rest of the rotors. In addition to cosmetics, it also prevents the rotors from rust-welding to the hub, making future replacement a snap.

Oddly enough, none of the factory-installed rotors I've replaced had this coating, even if the replacements from the dealer did. I once had a rotor so badly seized to the hub, I needed a giant gear puller to apply tension, lots of penetrating oil, and some hard whacks from a 3 lb sledge to remove it. When it came off, it launched into the wall of the garage and left a nice dent in the drywall.

 

[No2DinosaurFuel]

Oddly enough, the features list shows blank. I wonder what the CPOC will pick up for options.

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I think you should implement a "reverse auction" style notification system. Users who pay a higher subscription fee get their notifications before others. :wink:

Or even better, "if you see a car with features x, y, and z, for less than $X, click reserve for me and submit my credit card # automatically". Of course, then your run into all the PCI compliance fun...

Well what we know about that P85 is there is panoramic roof, Wood Decor, Tan Leather seats, Black Color, Carbon Fiber Spoiler. I wouldn't be surprised if it's nicely equipped. Still 2012 and P85, I am going to pass and wait it out for S85D.

Looks like my prediction is coming true earlier than I thought.

At this rate, I might have to reduce my prediction by $5K by the time the Model X comes out.

 

[Kalud]

Now that I'm at a real keyboard, I'll add a couple of thoughts. I've also annotated one of Jaeger's photos for clarification:

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Rust in the "swept area" will disappear almost instantly when you step on the brake pedal (but not with regen braking, since that doesn't use the friction brakes). This is the area where the pads clamp down on the brake disc. The pads will act like heavy sandpaper and very quickly scrub off the rust. Since this area has freshly exposed cast iron, it will rust quickly if the brakes aren't applied for a few days, especially if the discs get wet. Rust here is normal, doesn't effect braking, and scrubs off almost instantly.

Rust on the "hat" portion of the rotor is there to stay, unless manually removed. It's also normal and doesn't effect braking, but it's unsightly. If it's really bad, I suppose it's possible for rusty water to drip down and stain the rims, but I've never seen it happen.

Type "rotor hat rust" in the search box at the top of the page; there are some useful threads.

As an aside, I've replaced several rotors on a number of cars (Mini, Porsche, Audi, Saturn, Subaru), and most, if not all, of the replacements (OEM or dealer-sourced) came with a high-temp grey paint over the entire rotor (including the swept area). It wears off the braking surface instantly, and prevents rusting on the rest of the rotors. In addition to cosmetics, it also prevents the rotors from rust-welding to the hub, making future replacement a snap.

Oddly enough, none of the factory-installed rotors I've replaced had this coating, even if the replacements from the dealer did. I once had a rotor so badly seized to the hub, I needed a giant gear puller to apply tension, lots of penetrating oil, and some hard whacks from a 3 lb sledge to remove it. When it came off, it launched into the wall of the garage and left a nice dent in the drywall.

This has been solved, at least in Canada and Norway. I've got a new brake hat, rotor, and dust shield.

Model S | SB-15-33-002 | Cold Weather Brake Package, Norway and Canada

Warranty

Corrections: Retrofit 2nd Generation Front Dust Shields, Install Rear Dust Shields, Install Front Rotors, Install Rear Rotors, Install Front And Rear HP1000-T Brake Pads

1 REAR BRAKE PAD SVC KIT HP1000-T (1055068-00-B)

1 FRONT BRAKE PAD SVC KIT HP1000-T (1055066-00-B)

1 FRONT COLD WEATHER BRAKE ROTOR SHIELD LH (1027661-01-B)

1 FRONT COLD WEATHER BRAKE ROTOR SHIELD RH (1027662-01-B)

1 RR BRAKE DISC ROTOR DUST SHIELD LH (6006432-00-A)

1 RR BRAKE DISC ROTOR DUST SHIELD RH (6006433-00-A)

8 BOLT, TORX, BUTTON HEAD, M6x1.0x16 ZINC ALUMINUM (2007067)

2 FRONT BRAKE ROTOR WITH AS-CAST OUTER HAT (1025099-00-B)

2 REAR BRAKE ROTOR - OUTER HAT AS CAST (6006431-00-D)

 

[brantse]

They added quite a few cars to the Cleveland (Ohio) location yesterday. I wonder if these were transferred from the excess Chicago inventory. Has anyone been to the Chicago SC lately to see if some of the 100+ vehicles have disappeared? I'm hoping that will be the normal activity from now on, to drop a dozen or so (or perhaps the number that will fit on a car carrier) to a single location, all at once.

 

[spentan]

crazy amount of cars added,

P85 for under 60k. the S85 for 55k is now gone.

Looks like there will be some significant discounts coming to CPO vehicles when Model X is out.

BTW, Hank, Feature Request: Can We have a link to this thread on the website? There are so many times when I wanna refer back and forth, and I have to search for the thread (I guess I could bookmark it), but just at the top or bottom would be great.

Thanks

 

[Drucifer]

crazy amount of cars added

"THIS WEEEEEKEEEEND: The July 4th holiday weekend mega Teslathon-o-rama IS ON. Come early for the best deals. Hot dogs for the family. Balloons for the kids. The boss says these fine used cars HAVE GOT TO GO!!!!! We are accepting ALL credit applications. No reasonable offer refused.

Ooops, was thinking regular car dealer.

 

[Cyclone]

"THIS WEEEEEKEEEEND: The July 4th holiday weekend mega Teslathon-o-rama IS ON. Come early for the best deals. Hot dogs for the family. Balloons for the kids. The boss says these fine used cars HAVE GOT TO GO!!!!! We are accepting ALL credit applications. No reasonable offer refused.

Ooops, was thinking regular car dealer.

In the fine print... "reasonable offer" = "asking price"

 

[bonaire]

Some good discounting of CPOs.

Hank - your grid could show the current price and max price and even the delta to show the discount from original price. Those with Opt* indicate a price change but the shopper must do extra work (ie. click on each) to see whether there has been discounting on each in particular.

 

[HankLloydRight]

Some good discounting of CPOs.

Hank - your grid could show the current price and max price and even the delta to show the discount from original price. Those with Opt* indicate a price change but the shopper must do extra work (ie. click on each) to see whether there has been discounting on each in particular.

I'm pretty much out of space width-wise on the grid (in CPOC-V2), so I wouldn't want to add another column for price delta. Besides, the price delta only applies to certain cars and not all cars, so it would be wasted space. I've made this a little easier in V2 (a tooltip popup), but still doesn't calculate deltas. Many cars also are getting multiple price changes, so for now, I'm just storing the collection of previous prices in a text field. Just look at P48065 has had three price changes, from $105k to $101,200, to $105k again and then down to $97,300. I'll leave it up to the reader to decide how to use that information rather than trying to calculate deltas on the grid. And trust me, V2 is going to be a huge step forward in the CPOC.

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BTW, Hank, Feature Request: Can We have a link to this thread on the website? There are so many times when I wanna refer back and forth, and I have to search for the thread (I guess I could bookmark it), but just at the top or bottom would be great.

Yes, I can do that. But I also want to ask everyone a question. When I release Version 2, would you prefer a separate thread to discuss just the CPOC and keep regular CPO discussion in this thread? Or just keep it all in this thread? I can see people having lots of questions about the CPOC not related to the cars themselves.

 

[spentan]

Yes, I can do that. But I also want to ask everyone a question. When I release Version 2, would you prefer a separate thread to discuss just the CPOC and keep regular CPO discussion in this thread? Or just keep it all in this thread? I can see people having lots of questions about the CPOC not related to the cars themselves.

Up to you, I think a separate thread would probably be easier for you to monitor, but atm it looks like most of the discussion is mixed in this thread. So I'm not fussed either way.

 

[HankLloydRight]

Yes, I know the CPOC is currently off-line. Working on it.

 

[BoerumHill]

Yes, I know the CPOC is currently off-line. Working on it.

Hehe let's fire up a GoFundMe page to buy Hank a development server. That way he can tweak offline and leave the current version up.

Spec it out, Hank.

 

[FlatSix911]

Mine were delivered with MUCH more rust than that on all four. Tesla said they will NOT clean them up. They did, however, "goodwill" a test of my brakes and noted on my service receipt that the rust is only cosmetic and the brakes are fully functional. I plan to get them clean up at some point soon. Drucifer put me in touch with a great company to paint my calipers red and I will probably have them clean the rotors while they are working on the calipers. However, that won't happen until the August or so timeframe.

Just to be clear...
- the rust on the rotor will come right off with any braking action.
- the rust on the rotor hat flange can be coated with a good primer.
- the rust on the caliper can primed and painted for better cosmetics.

 

[Cyclone]

Just to be clear...
- the rust on the rotor will come right off with any braking action.
- the rust on the rotor hat flange can be coated with a good primer.
- the rust on the caliper can primed and painted for better cosmetics.

Sorry, it's the "rotor hat" I believe that is covered in rust on my car. I mean, its not a huge deal as they determined it is only cosmetic, but it irks me how far they go to say they recondition these cars to like-new condition and don't clean up the hats or replace them. I get they aren't affecting the quality of the braking, but it does sour the first impression to see all this rust. This photo is of the best looking rotor hat and caliper (cover?) on my car, as-delivered.

 

[Drucifer]

Sorry, it's the "rotor hat" I believe that is covered in rust on my car. I mean, its not a huge deal as they determined it is only cosmetic, but it irks me how far they go to say they recondition these cars to like-new condition and don't clean up the hats or replace them. I get they aren't affecting the quality of the braking, but it does sour the first impression to see all this rust. This photo is of the best looking rotor hat and caliper (cover?) on my car, as-delivered.

Gotta go to my brake caliper and rim place. I didn't get my hats done, but they are in pretty good shape. Here are some sample before and after hats using high temp silver paint courtesy of formytesla.com http://formytesla.com/

 

[Cyclone]

Gotta go to my brake caliper and rim place. I didn't get my hats done, but they are in pretty good shape. Here are some sample before and after hats using high temp silver paint courtesy of formytesla.com http://formytesla.com/

I plan to go the place you went for your calipers. Gotta get my car wrapped and the Nema 14-50 installed first though.

 

[HankLloydRight]

Hehe let's fire up a GoFundMe page to buy Hank a development server. That way he can tweak offline and leave the current version up.

Spec it out, Hank.

Thanks, but I have resources... the main issue is really:

 

[SW2Fiddler]

I remember reading about someone getting rusty rotors replaced. Having said that, rotors are cast iron. They rust. Not a big deal (at least from a safety/performance standpoint).

Cast iron can be prettied-up in an oven that has a "self cleaning" mode.
At least it works for oxidized cookware that sells for a song at garage sales. Comes out shiny like new! (then I have to season it to use for cooking)

The ones on cars I don't fret about, just drive them.

 

[HankLloydRight]

Just found out something very interesting, but kind of expected.

Tesla is moving CPO cars back to available for sale, but NOT listing on their website.

I've been testing CPOC V2 and found some anomalies of cars that were previously removed, but still available for sale.

Take this Blue P85+ in Los Angeles: 85 kWh Performance Model S P16299 | Tesla Motors

It doesn't show up at all on their site. It was first added 5/28, and then removed and now added back to CPO inventory, but not listed on their site for sale.

V2 will now periodically (maybe once per day) scan all "sold" cars to search for cars like this that were once listed, removed, and placed back for sale,but NOT listed on the current TM website, and of course, list them as available on the CPOC.

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Just did the first full scan and found these cars back for sale with price reductions, but not listed

==========> Price change VIN: P53122 US;California;3 from $115,000 to $100,800 Price Change: -14,200
==========> Price change VIN: P26048 US;California;3 from $105,000 to $92,900 Price Change: -12,100
==========> Price change VIN: P26695 US;California;3 from $101,600 to $90,800 Price Change: -10,800
==========> Price change VIN: P30350 US;California;3 from $103,500 to $92,900 Price Change: -10,600
==========> Price change VIN: P41960 US;California;3 from $108,000 to $98,600 Price Change: -9,400
==========> Price change VIN: P38081 US;Florida;10 from $98,000 to $90,200 Price Change: -7,800
==========> Price change VIN: P16316 US;California;4 from $91,300 to $85,400 Price Change: -5,900
==========> Price change VIN: P35541 US;Georgia;9 from $94,000 to $88,700 Price Change: -5,300
==========> Price change VIN: P38098 US;California;3 from $103,000 to $98,100 Price Change: -4,900
==========> Price change VIN: P29340 US;California;4 from $95,200 to $90,800 Price Change: -4,400


==========> Price change VIN: P19611 CA;Ontario;13 from $93,500 to $91,000 Price Change: -2,500
==========> Price change VIN: P33183 US;California;3 from $99,500 to $96,400 Price Change: -3,100
==========> Price change VIN: P35120 US;California;3 from $96,600 to $94,200 Price Change: -2,400
==========> Price change VIN: P39565 US;California;3 from $95,300 to $92,700 Price Change: -2,600
==========> Price change VIN: P42163 US;California;3 from $101,500 to $98,900 Price Change: -2,600
==========> Price change VIN: P48941 US;California;3 from $97,100 to $94,300 Price Change: -2,800
==========> Price change VIN: P49063 US;California;3 from $102,400 to $98,900 Price Change: -3,500
==========> Price change VIN: P50125 US;California;3 from $97,000 to $94,200 Price Change: -2,800
==========> Price change VIN: P50964 US;California;3 from $96,800 to $94,100 Price Change: -2,700
==========> Price change VIN: P53003 US;California;3 from $98,000 to $95,200 Price Change: -2,800
==========> Price change VIN: P54055 US;California;3 from $101,400 to $98,600 Price Change: -2,800
==========> Price change VIN: P16299 US;California;4 from $87,900 to $85,700 Price Change: -2,200
==========> Price change VIN: P22706 US;California;4 from $87,300 to $85,100 Price Change: -2,200
==========> Price change VIN: P23695 US;California;4 from $90,000 to $86,600 Price Change: -3,400
==========> Price change VIN: P25594 US;California;4 from $94,300 to $90,800 Price Change: -3,500
==========> Price change VIN: P27117 US;California;4 from $88,900 to $86,500 Price Change: -2,400
==========> Price change VIN: P29415 US;California;4 from $92,800 to $89,500 Price Change: -3,300
==========> Price change VIN: P36223 US;California;4 from $95,600 to $92,100 Price Change: -3,500
==========> Price change VIN: P36465 US;California;4 from $94,500 to $91,000 Price Change: -3,500
==========> Price change VIN: P51691 US;California;4 from $73,500 to $68,800 Price Change: -4,700
==========> Price change VIN: P48962 US;Florida;10 from $99,200 to $97,200 Price Change: -2,000
==========> Price change VIN: P51533 US;Florida;10 from $102,600 to $99,300 Price Change: -3,300
==========> Price change VIN: P36215 US;Georgia;9 from $94,300 to $91,600 Price Change: -2,700
==========> Price change VIN: P51353 US;Georgia;9 from $103,400 to $100,700 Price Change: -2,700
==========> Price change VIN: P30207 US;Illinois;7 from $96,300 to $93,100 Price Change: -3,200
==========> Price change VIN: P35059 US;Illinois;7 from $89,150 to $87,200 Price Change: -1,950
==========> Price change VIN: P41922 US;Illinois;7 from $90,000 to $88,600 Price Change: -1,400
==========> Price change VIN: P49922 US;Ohio;8 from $101,900 to $99,600 Price Change: -2,300
==========> Price change VIN: P42792 US;California;4 from $80,000 to $79,300 Price Change: -700




And these following VINs are actively for sale on the TM site, but not listed:

P15831, P16299, P16316, P19611, P20779, P22706, P23695, P25594, P26048, P26370, P26695, P26722, P27117, P28919, P29340, P29415, P30163, P30207, P30350, P33183, P33479, P35059, P35096, P35120, P35541, P36215, P36223, P36329, P36465, P36476, P37376, P38081, P38098, P38615, P38707, P39565, P40535, P41500, P41922, P41960, P42093, P42163, P42792, P48941, P48962, P49024, P49063, P49922, P49944, P50125, P50964, P51008, P51353, P51533, P51691, P53003, P53122, P53642, P53684, P53693, P54055, P77580

I'm sorry that these won't show up correctly in the current Consolidator, I'm focusing on getting V2 running, and can't back-port all the changes to V1. It should only be a few more days.