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CT bottom trim $69K 2x Motor 350 mile range
Has this been reported by reputable source or is this a guesstimate?

New Lightning prices align competitively with rumored Silverado EV prices. Base price ~$54k with 340-350 miles of EPA range.

These new Ford MSRPs are fine as long as Cybertruck doesn't come in surprisingly low.

Not only does Ford have over 90 days supply of Lightnings but battery mineral prices are falling. Every BEV from every automaker has to adjust in a competitive market.
 
Has this been reported by reputable source or is this a guesstimate?

New Lightning prices align competitively with rumored Silverado EV prices. Base price ~$54k with 340-350 miles of EPA range.

These new Ford MSRPs are fine as long as Cybertruck doesn't come in surprisingly low.

Not only does Ford have over 90 days supply of Lightnings but battery mineral prices are falling. Every BEV from every automaker has to adjust in a competitive market.

I've seen commentary from both Sandy Munro and Doug DeMuro that the CT is competing in a different market from the F150 and Silverado. The F150, Silverado, and Ram all compete in the work truck market. The CT is more poised to compete with vehicles like Jeep or Range Rover. The bulk of CT reservations are from people who have never owned a truck before.

The work truck market is a more traditional market who only accept gradual change and wouldn't be drawn to a radically different truck design. Another big factor with work trucks is you can buy them without a bed and drop industry standard beds on there. As far as I know the CT has no provision for alternate beds. A large number of pickup chassis are used for special purposes.

There are a lot of people who buy a work truck for non-work use but at least half the market is for business use. A lot of people who own trucks as their daily drivers also use them for work. I have several neighbors who do that.

I think Ford is a lot more concerned about the electric Silverado than the CT. The makers of recreational truck-like vehicles might be concerned.
 
The CT is more poised to compete with vehicles like Jeep or Range Rover.
Rivian clearly targeted this segment. Especially with now-canceled options like the camp kitchen.

The bulk of CT reservations are from people who have never owned a truck before.
Moving millions of drivers from sedan/CUVs to four ton behemoths is not what I'd call a big win for the environment....

Another big factor with work trucks is you can buy them without a bed and drop industry standard beds on there. As far as I know the CT has no provision for alternate beds. A large number of pickup chassis are used for special purposes.
I used to see lots of "cab only" inventory at ag/fleet focused dealerships. Not so much in recent years. Of course I used to see 8 foot beds, and those are almost extinct.
 
Looks like Cons are about to spend a lot of taxpayer money propping up the Brexshit economy

"The owner of carmaker Jaguar Land Rover is expected to announce that it will build an electric car battery gigafactory in the UK, backed with £500m in government funding, in what would be a major boost for the British car industry.

Jaguar Land Rover’s owner, the Indian conglomerate Tata Group, has been locked in negotiations for months for state aid for the project, which would aim to produce 40GWh of batteries a year, enough to power hundreds of thousands of electric cars.

An announcement of the plans for a plant in Somerset is expected as soon as Wednesday, although some details of the agreement have yet to be finalised, said one person briefed on the plans.

The failure of Britishvolt, a gigafactory startup which collapsed after securing pledges of £100m in government support, has cast a shadow over the future of carmaking in Britain.

A Tata gigafactory would likely create thousands of jobs. It will join one other battery plant at “gigafactory” scale in the UK: the Envisionplant in Sunderland, which is owned by a Chinese corporation and supplies Nissan."


 
Looks like Cons are about to spend a lot of taxpayer money propping up the Brexshit economy

"The owner of carmaker Jaguar Land Rover is expected to announce that it will build an electric car battery gigafactory in the UK, backed with £500m in government funding, in what would be a major boost for the British car industry.

Jaguar Land Rover’s owner, the Indian conglomerate Tata Group, has been locked in negotiations for months for state aid for the project, which would aim to produce 40GWh of batteries a year, enough to power hundreds of thousands of electric cars.

An announcement of the plans for a plant in Somerset is expected as soon as Wednesday, although some details of the agreement have yet to be finalised, said one person briefed on the plans.

The failure of Britishvolt, a gigafactory startup which collapsed after securing pledges of £100m in government support, has cast a shadow over the future of carmaking in Britain.

A Tata gigafactory would likely create thousands of jobs. It will join one other battery plant at “gigafactory” scale in the UK: the Envisionplant in Sunderland, which is owned by a Chinese corporation and supplies Nissan."


A little bit more info to round out the above for the Tata Jaguar-Land-Rover (JLR) deal:
- £500m taxpayer funding;
- £4bn Tata funding;
- 40 GWh/yr;
- 4,000 jobs though unclear as how many construction vs production vs supply chain;
- 2026 production start;
- won vs Spain;
- Tata may supply cells to other manufacturers;
- the other cell plant in the UK is the Envision one at Nissan, currently at 10 GWh/yr, plans increase to 38 GWh/y;
- JLR did 376,000 vehicles in 2022 by comparison - this announcement is only about investments into cell manufacturing;

So total of 80 GWh/yr should do 800,000 vehicles/year in UK at average of 100 kWh/vehicle. If one includes vans then the 100kWh/vehicle may be about right, otherwise something in the 60-80 kWh/vehicle would be more typical for UK.
  • Over 775,014 cars built in the UK in 2022.
  • Car exports down -14.0% in 2022, with 606,838 shipped worldwide – 78.3% of total production.
  • Over half of these exports were to the European Union, 57.6%
UK car production has halved in recent years

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UK vehicle sales have also declined in recent years. My memory (which may be faulty) is that it used to be the case that in recent decades the UK was a net importer in numerical unit terms, but a net exporter in revenue terms because the exported vehicles tended to be higher value than the imported vehicles.

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Overall this deal has done just enough to stop the UK automotive sector from total collapse; preserves core manufacturing competencies; and should keep UK's balance of payments stable in this regard (this is a big deal). It seems likely that UK will now neck down to just two significant automotive firms: Tata-JLR and Nissan. There are indications that Tata may supply cells to other manufacturers. Another indication that the standard minimum globally competitive

The dickering over getting Tata steel plant at Port Talbot and the Jingye steel plant at Scunthorpe through decarbonisation is still ongoing.

I think another 20 GWh/yr is needed to get a full UK solution for UK automotive, including heavy vehicles (HGV and PSV). Another 80-100 GWh/yr of UK production is needed to get the requisite amount of cells flowing for the stationary storage requirement (as a quickie one can figure out that it is about a 1:1 ratio required in most economies for substantial decarbonisation, more for full) so that would be 2-3 more full sized cell factories, bringing it to 4-5 in total, all of minimum scale 40 GWh/yr.

UK population is approximately 60-million so implication is one 40 GWh/yr cell factory for every 10-15 million population in a typical OECD country. Noting that 40 GWh/yr is 400-500,000 vehicles/yr this means there will be losers as typical US automotive sites (? also globally) have been in the range 150-250,000/yr except for the biggest sites. As I have said before those losers will both be locations (cities/regions) and also entire countries.

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Back to batteries

Hear Tesla is installing 4680 gen 2s in Y and 3 RWDs, respective countries,
CT first and bottom trim 350 miles 2x motor will also get 4680 gen 2
The middle and top trims of rhe CT for 2x motor 500 miles and 3x motor for 600 miles will use rhe upcoming 4680 gen 3

Anyone tracking the same?
 
A loaner Mercedes 2023 EQE350+ appears to have caught fire while parked in a garge:

 
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USA Jan 2023 and beyond market will be a boot not a reboot for non Tesla EV sales
PoS instant Fed tax rebates
NACS adapters and Tesla superchargers operational for non Teslas (Hope Jan start)
New models here

Hope this permits Ford and GM to build momentum

We want USA manuf owned EVs to start winning
Tesla, Ford, GM!! And Rivian and Lucid
 
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Chinese competition training itself on European market

The MG4 is pretty much the BEV competition for the eventual Tesla 2/Y, or the ICE Golf or Corolla hatches and the other stuff off those platforms. The MG bit is just branding these days, it is SAIC in every respect.