dreamingof3
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Did news just hit? We dropped 3 points very quickly. I noticed a spike in volume coinciding with the quick 2 dollar drop.
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FredTMC
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David Einhorn’s stock bets in 2015 were so bad even his kids offered him advice - MarketWatch
Seems like a good reason to go long, lol
Seems like a good reason to go long, lol
dreamingof3
Member
Well one thing he does have a lot of is capital. It could be the reason short interest has spiked from 23 million to over 27 million in the past months. Wondering if he is interested in a profit here if he averaged 250ish entry?
FredTMC
Model S VIN #4925
Uh, I didn't have you in mind at all. I also support valuable contributions bear and bull. I actually don't have anyone in mind, I am not so smart as to have an idea of who meta-posts a lot, my sense is LOTS of people do including yours truly. I am also not cool. I will stop writing on this because I undermine my own stop-posting-about-posts point each time I do so.
FredTMC
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hockeythug
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Re-reading his comment please note that the gentleman concerned is complaining of censure from a site Moderator. Not of being chased out by fellow commentators. Previously I had skip-read over the disgusting and thoroughly dishonest accusation of my "professing to have the ability to control the markets" and the vile ad-hominem: Sociopath, twisted individual, scammed - which is stunningly poor form in the context of stating that he was actually incorrect on the matter of substance (and more emphatically so than I have ever stated myself). "I believe" as in "I believe today it will hold" is beneath the standard of any investing thesis worthy of publication in my opinion. So I would not have banned him for a heated debate, but for this, if this is the true colors of this individual, I would side with the Moderator with out shedding a single tear. Good call. Absolutely.
dreamingof3
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Exactly I reckon it would have been a good trade if he shorted this summer. Even through then end of 2015 it wasn't looking like it would make money though. Markets turn on a dime these days.
sundaymorning
Active Member
Guessing the direction of this stock is useless; for the exception of rare cases, you might as well flip a coin on any particular day and follow that trade. I want to remind us that Tesla started its freefall the beginning of January, due to two unforeseen events that played right into the hands of bears--the f*re incident and China capitulating. If there were a bear on this forum who gave us these warnings weeks ahead of time please step forward so we can thank them for that trade..From recollection, I can say with certainty that most bears were either bashing or using misinformation to spread cancerous negativity. Without the two events stated above, the market could have reacted differently.
Also there is a vast difference between this stock plummeting bc of the macros vs. "demand not being there, therefore I'm bearish."
Also there is a vast difference between this stock plummeting bc of the macros vs. "demand not being there, therefore I'm bearish."
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NASDAQ closed exactly at the high of the day. This, combined with oil bounce and the intraday reversal on Wednesday are making me feel bullish on macro for the short / medium term.
We've held $200 well despite extreme volatility and extreme short interest. With 2-3 weeks left until ER, Q1 deliveries and Model 3 reveal to follow, my gut tells me that the storm clouds are parting and there are blue skies ahead. I believe the worst may be behind us and TSLA has lots of room to rally strongly through the spring. I am positioned accordingly.
We've held $200 well despite extreme volatility and extreme short interest. With 2-3 weeks left until ER, Q1 deliveries and Model 3 reveal to follow, my gut tells me that the storm clouds are parting and there are blue skies ahead. I believe the worst may be behind us and TSLA has lots of room to rally strongly through the spring. I am positioned accordingly.
I'm with you. I'm holding more shares than ever before, Jan17 calls, Jan18 calls, short Feb16 puts and short Jun16 puts. Shares and calls for long-term gain, Feb16 for earnings and Jun16 for M3. TSLA is close to accounting for 20% of my investments! Short interest is through the roof and we are not far away from what I expect to be quite positive short-term catalysts. I also think the macro situation is way overblown (with some confirmation late this week). You might say I'm slightly bullish.
Zhelko Dimic
Careful bull
Julian, you have stated several times that you started from principal etc, etc, hence logical conclusion holds.
Firstly, I absolutely agree with your conclusions, believe and hope they will come to fruition. Having said that, certainty in conclusions you exhibit is _absolutely_ unwarranted.
We're dealing here with system too complex to model, describe and compute - whole world creating 10**xx... events every second, possible black swans, the whole of investment and trading community with their hard to read and constantly changing temporal irrationality, emotions that can't be read successfully with sufficient precision ( for the whole world most indicators are US based) etc...
So the only thing we can deal with are probabilities and possibilities. First principle does NOT work on people in all situations.
To say "I believe... " is a lot more constructive than to say "I know..."
Though "I am convinced" should probably serve _you_ well.
I personally have no problem with your certainty, as I take it with grain of salt, just like everything else. However, your continuing claim about first principle has started grating me, and "I believe" your use of first principle to describe investment outcome is incorrect.
Now, if that was Elon stating it, it may be correct, as he is a major player that can effect outcome, so he can react and compensate for unknowns. You and me, we're observers.
First I've heard about that event. Is it an event where you can get a test drive, get driven by a Tesla employee, or just get a close up look?
Meet Model X event reached capacity within the hour! Good news: lots of interest in Model X. Bad news: I was too late
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Max Pain close- What a surprise!
As many of us suspect, a level of manipulation was used by market makers to keep TSLA close to the 202.5 max pain number at close. The cheapest way to do this on a day when the stock is trading before hours at 204-205 and the broader markets are ready to climb nicely? Nip TSLA in the bud, of course, and make the stock appear to be an underperformer. Day traders jump ship for the day, which helps keep the price down. Nobody really wants to sell because TSLA should climb nicely in a recovering market, and not many want to buy on a day when TSLA is so clearly underperforming the market. Thus, volume stays low and the stock can be manipulated at minimum cost.
If this technique of opening manipulation is used a few more times, however, I think the market will grow wise to it and the technique will then become ineffective. Let's hope that Monday is an up day for the broader markets with no TSLA manipulation, and we should get a chance then to see where TSLA wants to go.
BTW, I did buy a June call on a dip today from my dry powder money, hopefully to be sold in the near future. If market makers are willing to fund a day of discount buying for TSLA stock and calls, I'm willing to take the discount.
As many of us suspect, a level of manipulation was used by market makers to keep TSLA close to the 202.5 max pain number at close. The cheapest way to do this on a day when the stock is trading before hours at 204-205 and the broader markets are ready to climb nicely? Nip TSLA in the bud, of course, and make the stock appear to be an underperformer. Day traders jump ship for the day, which helps keep the price down. Nobody really wants to sell because TSLA should climb nicely in a recovering market, and not many want to buy on a day when TSLA is so clearly underperforming the market. Thus, volume stays low and the stock can be manipulated at minimum cost.
If this technique of opening manipulation is used a few more times, however, I think the market will grow wise to it and the technique will then become ineffective. Let's hope that Monday is an up day for the broader markets with no TSLA manipulation, and we should get a chance then to see where TSLA wants to go.
BTW, I did buy a June call on a dip today from my dry powder money, hopefully to be sold in the near future. If market makers are willing to fund a day of discount buying for TSLA stock and calls, I'm willing to take the discount.
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Krugerrand
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I said nothing of the sort, nor was I suggesting it. My comment in context was specifically to dc_h's ...but I fear we will devolve again into Tesla is perfect.
I care to correct misinformation and the like because that's just how I roll. All the rest; who stays, who goes, mud slinging between parties, unicorns in the barn, unicorns running amok, is at best entertaining and at worst white noise. I'm not responsible for what other people do or say. I've got enough on my plate just being responsible for myself so leave me out of the 'we'.
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