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Russia/Ukraine conflict

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Egypt had free, open and fair parliamentary elections in 2012 after the Mubarak government collapsed.

The Muslim Brotherhood won 47% of the seats.

Islamist parties more radical than the Muslim Brotherhood won 23% of the seats.

Iran has a score of 14/100 according to freedomhouse.org

What do you suppose Morocco's freedomhouse score would be 4 years after the monarchy is removed and a government is elected in free, open, and fair elections?

Seems like relevant questions... Hopefully things could go in the Tunisian direction like @petit_bateau referenced, and also not experience the backlash that has happened in Tunisia in recent years. 71/100 in Tunisia was in 2021. In 2022 it was only 64/100. In 2017 they had 78/100.

Personally I don't know enough about Marocco to say. And I don't have a couple of hours (or days) to research this...
 
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Hopefully Germany concluded that it's a lot better to send the Leopards directly to Ukraine. Thailand currently only has a score of 29/100 from Freedom House...

Don't know when the Ukrainian tank deal was made with Thailand. Hopefully it happened back when Thailand was a lot more democratic...


Germany doesn't have a lot of Leopards sitting around unused. The bulk of the Leopards they built are in the armies of allied countries.

A year ago the only two countries with large numbers of tanks in storage were the United States and Russia. Russia has mobilized most of the tanks they could repair at this point. If they are mobilizing T-55s, that means their newer tanks in reserve are either activated or determined to be unusable. The unusable tanks have probably been parted out.

There were stories last spring that thieves had stripped out anything of value from a large number of tanks in storage. Most had electronics and optics stolen. Some even had the engine taken. There were also stories from people calling home that their unit were getting tanks without a working main gun or a turret that was stuck in one position.

Anyone want to make a prediction on what Russia does next? No change in posture, further conscription soon, etc?

Getting harder for Putin. He does not want to draw more of his population into his war, particularly city folks like in Moscow and St. Petersburg where many so far have been largely able to escape reality. But if he wants any chance to mitigate his coming losses with the Ukrainian counteroffensive likely the spring and into the rest of the year, he would have to increase conscription/mobilization.

Even then Russian soldiers will remain poorly prepared/equipped. The current and potential resources in the West are much deeper.

The installation of AA systems in Moscow is an indication that Putin is nervous.

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Since the 1860s whenever Russia has lost a war, there has been unrest. In some cases it led to reforms, in other cases it led to the government falling and being replaced. This is the biggest war Russia has been in since 1945 and they are losing. One potential fracture line is that the ethnic minorities in the remote provinces have been taking the bulk of the casualties in this war. That is causing a lot of the people in those provinces to be unhappy with Moscow.

Politically Putin is under stress from two sides. On one side are the warhawks who think Russia is losing because Putin didn't put Russia 100% on a war footing from the start and if Russia was completely committed to the war it can't lose (they're wrong). The other side are those who are angry with him for starting this war in the first place. This faction have a more realistic view of the situation and see that the whole war was a huge mistake of epic proportions.

Successful coups always involve the military, so Putin is hedging his bets against a military coup. There is less he can do if Russian republics decide to break away from Moscow and form their own country. The normal reaction by Moscow would be to send in the army, which they did in Chechnya. But the army has been shattered in the last year. They are not going to be capable to putting down a rebellion in Siberia.

Russia will probably try to mobilize more people, but the war is becoming increasingly unpopular, especially in the less cosmopolitan parts of the country. Additionally the 300K they mobilized late last year put a massive strain on them. They don't have trainers anymore so the ones who are getting training are being sent to Belarus. The rest were thrown into combat with no training. They traded 100K lives for a small village of 10,0000 pre-war. That's not a strategy that can continue. They don't have enough people in Russia to throw away lives like that.

Additionally they are struggling very hard to equip these troops. They lack uniforms, boots, facilities to house them while preparing them for combat. Most just got a rifle and a couple of clips of ammunition and nothing more. They are creating pure infantry units with no support weapons. Even light infantry units usually have attached heavy weapons sections with heavy machine guns, mortars, etc. Individual light infantry carry anti tank rockets, grenade launchers, grenades, etc. These mobiks are getting nothing more than a rifle and some ammunition. Not even much ammunition.

I expect the mobilized troops that were held back for training are getting a bit more, but I also expect that what they are getting is poorer than the units had going into combat last February.

Intercepted calls have many mobiks in Donbas complaining that they are getting almost no supplies. They are getting very little food and some have said they are drinking water out of puddles. They also aren't getting simple entrenching tools like shovels so they can't dig in to protect themselves from artillery. Every army of the last 120 years has automatically dug in when stationary in a combat zone. They get out their shovels and dig foxholes.

Another common complaint is the mobiks have no leadership. Many have said the only officer they have seen is a high up officer who orders them to some spot and they have no leadership below that level. No junior officers and no NCOs. Just a bunch of basic conscripts with no food, no water, and no support.

Russia simply doesn't have the supplies to mobilize all that many more troops. They also don't have the officers or NCOs to support an expansion of the army. They can call up every man between the ages of 16 and 50, but they won't get uniforms and the best they are going to get for weapons are sharpened sticks with maybe the occasional pitchfork. They can essentially muster a medieval army with pike squares. Great against cavalry, but useless on a modern battlefield.

The damage done to the Russian army is going to be generational if Russia survives. They inherited a large Soviet stockpile of weapons and ammunition that has been largely squandered. They were pretty corrupt and had a lot of problems going into the war, but they had institutions they kind of kept them coherent for the first few months of the war, but their officer corps has been decimated, their training regime has been wiped out, their equipment stores are gone, and the army has been gutted.

Their industry is still there. It's badly stressed due to shortages of many materials they need, but it's still able to make the basics like artillery ammunition, though probably not much more than pre-war levels. They don't have the means to expand production by much. They can keep a somewhat low level of artillery ammunition going to the artillery guns until they completely wear out and fall apart and they can keep a trickle of rifle ammunition going to the infantry until their guns wear out or they get killed and their rifles taken by the Ukrainians. But it's a basic, subsistence level of supply, both in quality and quantity.

I found it , also 8 tank recovery vehicles. Not m1s but they will be m1a x? Through procurement contracts. Not coming out of USA stocks. Either new out of factory or from an allied country looking to sell.

The M1s haven't moved in decades so they are going to take a lot of work to get moving again. If they are new production, the US is building a bunch of new Abrams for Poland. Some of that order might get diverted to Ukraine. For fuel supply purposes the Ukrainians should be getting Abrams with the APUs.

If an ally is looking to donate some tanks, it would be an opportunity for Egypt to win some brownie points on the world stage. Saudi Arabia probably doesn't want to give up any of theirs and Iraq's Abrams are probably trashed at this point.

Another thing with the Abrams is that it is very loud and very distinctive. The Russians will be able to hear them coming and know what it is. The advantage of the Leopard is it sounds a lot like a T-64.
 
The Abrams are actually exceptionally quiet for a massive tank. That quality has earned it the moniker "whispering death".
 
Yes an abrams has some of the best move and shoot on the run and survive that you’ll find but is not perfect and that helicopter turbine is loud and hungry.

Frankly the abrams leopard challenger and leclerq are all great tanks. All will be an enourrmass help to Ukraine in their war. Come on France- you have 2x as many tanks as the UK, give 32.
 
Hungry, yes. Loud, no.
Yeah it is loud. Just is less than an old m60 but noisier than the modern turbocharged and muffled diesel in either the challenger or leopard but unsure on the leclerq.

Doesn’t matter I do t think, for infantry that they will face it Wo t be good in any case and other tankers Wo t hear either in their tanks.
 
Yeah it is loud. Just is less than an old m60 but noisier than the modern turbocharged and muffled diesel in either the challenger or leopard but unsure on the leclerq.

Doesn’t matter I do t think, for infantry that they will face it Wo t be good in any case and other tankers Wo t hear either in their tanks.
The M1A2 gas turbine makes 115 dB. The Leopard2 makes 125 dB. That is a much larger difference than you might think.
 
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The Abrams are actually exceptionally quiet for a massive tank. That quality has earned it the moniker "whispering death".

This doesn't sound quiet to me

The leopard did not do so well in Syria when the isis took out 10 of them while at worst Abrams have been damaged. Useful and better than the Txx fielded by Russian it it won’t be a magic cure . Frankly the challenger has a better record. Friendly fire has been the only cause of complete loss by either an Abrams or challenger.

The Turks may not have supported them correctly. Any tank is vulnerable with poor support.

The M1A2 gas turbine makes 115 dB. The Leopard2 makes 125 dB. That is a much larger difference than you might think.

But the Leopard sounds like most other tanks out there. The Abrams is unique.
 
This doesn't sound quiet to me



The Turks may not have supported them correctly. Any tank is vulnerable with poor support.



But the Leopard sounds like most other tanks out there. The Abrams is unique.
For a tank at full power, that is quiet. These things aren't built to please librarians. ;)

You should hear an old Detroit diesel at full song some time.
 
Original Leopard had weak armor in the flanks. Enemies learned quickly that they could be taken out of action by focusing on those areas.

Leopard 2 has better armor, stronger motors and upgraded electronics to enhance survivability.

Tanks have their place on the modern battlefield, but like an aircraft carrier, they need support from others to be effective.
 
For a tank at full power, that is quiet. These things aren't built to please librarians. ;)

You should hear an old Detroit diesel at full song some time.

It's loud enough for the sound to travel and it's unique so any enemy knows there are Abrams nearby. Even a drunk mobik can tell the difference. The Russians have a bounty on Bradleys. They will do the same for the Abrams.

Diesels all sound similar. Someone who knows what they are listening to can probably tell the difference between the exhaust notes but the average Russian won't know if Leopards are coming or a few farmer's tractors.

Any halfwit intelligence person will know that if western tanks are in an area, that is probably where the offensive is going to be. A western tank that sounds like a BMP or an old Russian tank, or anything else with a diesel engine is easier to maintain operational security than a high value weapon with a unique sound.

For enemies of the US, this isn't a major issue because they know the only tank they are facing are Abrams. 99% of Ukrainian tanks will be diesel with only a few Abrams. Those Abrams will either be allocated for defense of Kyiv (smartest move IMO) or they will be a spear point of an assault. You don't want to tell the enemy where the spear point is before the assault starts.
 
It's loud enough for the sound to travel and it's unique so any enemy knows there are Abrams nearby. Even a drunk mobik can tell the difference. The Russians have a bounty on Bradleys. They will do the same for the Abrams.

Diesels all sound similar. Someone who knows what they are listening to can probably tell the difference between the exhaust notes but the average Russian won't know if Leopards are coming or a few farmer's tractors.

Any halfwit intelligence person will know that if western tanks are in an area, that is probably where the offensive is going to be. A western tank that sounds like a BMP or an old Russian tank, or anything else with a diesel engine is easier to maintain operational security than a high value weapon with a unique sound.

For enemies of the US, this isn't a major issue because they know the only tank they are facing are Abrams. 99% of Ukrainian tanks will be diesel with only a few Abrams. Those Abrams will either be allocated for defense of Kyiv (smartest move IMO) or they will be a spear point of an assault. You don't want to tell the enemy where the spear point is before the assault starts.

The Ukrainian units getting Western tanks will be elite units with top quality training. If anything, the mobiks will do their best to avoid engaging with them. Stationing the Abrams around Kyiv seems like a reasonable strategy to me.
 
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The Ukrainian units getting Western tanks will be elite units with top quality training. If anything, the mobiks will do their best to avoid engaging with them.

If you are about to go on the offensive and the enemy figures out where you are going to attack, it gives the enemy an opportunity to reinforce and fortify the point where the enemy is going to attack. The mobiks have no say in any of this. They are just the poor saps who get killed when the offensive begins.

At Kursk in 1943 the Germans did not do anything to really conceal they were about to launch a large offensive on the Kursk salient. Zhukov heavily reinforced the area and when the Germans did launch their attack the Russian defenses cut the Germans to ribbons. It was a hard fought battle with high casualties on both sides, but it marked the last large scale German offensive in the east and the second to last large scale offensive of the war (the Ardennes operation in late 1944 was their last major offensive).

If the Ukrainians want to keep operational security they won't use the Abrams for any major offensives. I would use them for a feint. Take the handful of Abrams and drive them around at night near one of the possible offensive points and get the Russians thinking the Abrams must be the point of the spear. Then launch the offensive elsewhere.