Yes. But overwhelmingly white trucks. And sometimes it was a white car. It was so obvious that I would hover my foot over the accelerator if I saw a white truck (sometimes it was a white anything because it was too distant to tell) coming, but relaxed the rest of the time. One exception was the orange semi. Other colors just didn't do the same thing.
Nope, not true. Radar-equipped and radar-using cars experience the same…mine does. Elon once tweeted that going all vision would eliminate phantom braking as radar was causing it. Didn’t turn out that way.
Doesn’t matter how difficult it is…fix it, or deliver an alternative (dumb cruise would be one, for example), or do something else. To have had this continue for the almost 5 years Model 3’s have been on the road is testimony to either not caring and prioritizing this, or writing off as anecdotal edge cases those who experience it. I’m resigned to never seeing a solution on my Model 3.
Unless you’re in the FSD Beta program, which is vision-only regardless of radar installation.
And therein lies the problem. PB is real at least for more than one of us, and it’s today’s issue. And you’re correct: it’s only as assumption that it will be resolved at some unknown future point. That could also be called hope. For me, I’d much rather a car manufacturer deal with existing problems while separating designing for the near- and far-term future.
To be fair, many cars have had issues with AEB, not just Tesla. There seem to be a lot reports and reports of lawsuits lately, too. I can think of a few possible reasons:
I think it's pretty clear that PB is a problem for a large number of people. Tesla may have overpromised and overextended itself. I suspect there has been increasing pressure to deliver on the FSD promises, requiring a lot of resources to be devoted to that project. They (Tesla) may be making the assumption that FSD advances will fix the PB problems but I'd far rather they have an isolated, reliable adaptive cruise feature. That would give the people who don't care about AutoPilot or FSD a much better experience.
Are you sure? I just took a quick look at all 4 manuals online and each one has it listed as beta:
I'll take a picture when I am next in the car. I guess I could be mistaken about that but it stuck with me that way.To be fair, many cars have had issues with AEB, not just Tesla. There seem to be a lot reports and reports of lawsuits lately, too. I can think of a few possible reasons:
Like I've said, Tesla's seems to be worse than average but that's a really hard comparison to make. You may be right in that Tesla has had a few high-profile accidents that caused negative publicity so they tweaked their algorithms to be more sensitive and in doing so increased the incidence of false positives.
- More cars have the feature so there will be more reports
- There are more reports and publicity so people tend to notice and report their problems more (publicity confirmation bias)
- The feature is still relatively new and it's just taken this long to get enough reports of problems
- Automakers are chaining their systems (switching from radar to vision or making them more sensitive to have fewer false negatives) so there are more false postives.
It's rather frustrating if that's the case. Phantom braking can actually cause accidents by disrupting the traffic around you and leading to people rear-ending you (or rear ending the people who brake for you.) Many have dismissed that issues by saying it's the other drivers' responsibility to pay attention to the road and not follow too close, but isn't it also the Tesla drivers' responsibility to pay attention to the road (and all the white trucks) so the system doesn't need to be so trigger happy?
I think it's pretty clear that PB is a problem for a large number of people. Tesla may have overpromised and overextended itself. I suspect there has been increasing pressure to deliver on the FSD promises, requiring a lot of resources to be devoted to that project. They (Tesla) may be making the assumption that FSD advances will fix the PB problems but I'd far rather they have an isolated, reliable adaptive cruise feature. That would give the people who don't care about AutoPilot or FSD a much better experience.
Are you sure? I just took a quick look at all 4 manuals online and each one has it listed as beta:
Model 3 Owner's Manual | Tesla
Learn about Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and its specifications.www.tesla.comModel X Owner's Manual | Tesla
Learn about Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and its specifications.www.tesla.comModel S Owner's Manual | Tesla
Learn about Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and its specifications.www.tesla.comModel Y Owner's Manual | Tesla
Learn about Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and its specifications.www.tesla.com
TACC is not labeled beta in my non-FSD car...auto steer is. It's really poor cause the manual says both are.
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I’ve owned 7-8 cars with adaptive cruise from all sorts of brands. Only car that phantom braked was a 2014 CTS. Everything else was perfect. My most recent a genesis gv70 was perfect in every regard on all sorts of roads.
