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I'm onto my 3rd month of ownership on the + and confirm that I am beginning to see some rear inner tire wear. Gotta pay to play I guess.
Just test drove a P85+ in Zurich. It was riding on 19" cyclone rims with winter Tires. Unfortunately I have never driven a P85+ in its normal setup (nor any other Model S). I got to mash the go pedal from 55 to 75 mph and while I enjoyed the immediate response I didn't exactly find myself intimidated by the acceleration (I was expecting more after 2 year of reading these forums). I did find the car became quite noisy above 60 mph - the sound was like a "mechanical whir". I was told this was due to the winter tires and it is actually quieter than that with the regular 21's. Didn't really get to test the handling but the car did feel very planted - very European even with 19's.
This is part of its appeal, IMO. The Model S isn't designed to be a car that makes you freak out by fishtailing (though you can get it to sometimes) or demonstrating other "display of acceleration" drama. It's designed to be one that you safely get where you're going... quickly if you'd like.Just test drove a P85+ in Zurich. ... I got to mash the go pedal from 55 to 75 mph and while I enjoyed the immediate response I didn't exactly find myself intimidated by the acceleration (I was expecting more after 2 year of reading these forums).
It's all in the tires. I could spin the wheels on my old 195hp 2006 Civic Si in dry conditions through three gears with its winter tires. With the stock all-seasons I could spin through first and chirp into second. With summer tires the only way I could make them spin was if I dropped the clutch.I can't accelerate nearly as fast with my 19s and winter tires. Even at 50mph (80km/h) I get wheelspin and TC kicking in.
It's all in the tires. I could spin the wheels on my old 195hp 2006 Civic Si in dry conditions through three gears with its winter tires. With the stock all-seasons I could spin through first and chirp into second. With summer tires the only way I could make them spin was if I dropped the clutch.
Tires make a HUGE difference. Significantly more than the difference between 19"s and 21"s.
I wasn't disagreeing. :smile:That was my point, he shouldn't gauge the acceleration of the P85+ when it is wearing winter rubber. It simply isn't going to be head snapping because the tires can't deliver that level of grip.
can anyone with a P85+ with 19's comment on handling and road noise compared to the OEM set up? I'm finding the P85+ with 21's to be quite loud on our concrete highways and the tire wear issues have me considering 19's (pros: longer lasting tire options, less inside wear due to camber, quieter, less bumpy, less prone to wheel damage). like a lot of people, i'm a sucker for the looks of the 21's but I do have my limits on what I'm willing to pay in terms of rough/loud ride and long term cost of ownership. the cyclone 19's would probably fit the bill though they are not as elegant and all seasons won't be as grippy.
Has anyone tried the A/S3's yet? They seem like a good compromise over the MXM4. I don't see much difference except the speed rating and the lack of LRR rating. I have all Winter to decide but I'm interested in better energy usage, quietness, and I'd like to not lose much in handling.