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I actually think this would be a good thing. I'll pay equivalent since I use the roads too.i dont know why more states dont tack on a quarter or two to fix ourdecaying roads/bridges....seems like a no brainer, course I only go to gas stations for corn nuts and 40oz Old Style, so i may be biased
I agree with you. One critical component to broad EV acceptance will be a level playing feed for infrastructure maintenance. At the same time the obvious logical conclusion is to remove subsidies for both fossil fuel extraction, distribution and EVsales plus charging infrastructure. In such a world, were it to happen, the advantages of EV's would scream lougly as gasoline went to $8.00 a gallon or so, just about where it already is in much of Northern Europe. All this certainly "ain't gonna happen" but it is nice to dream.I actually think this would be a good thing. I'll pay equivalent since I use the roads too.
Gas was over $4 per gallon and the world didn't collapse. Now it's about $2/ga and the thought of increasing it by $0.25 to improve our infrastructure makes complete sense. Improves our infrastructure, creates jobs and maybe even reduces gasoline consumption a little.
that's a great idea, how would you feel when they add a few hundred dollar a year road use tax to the EV registrations in lieu of collecting fuel taxes?i dont know why more states dont tack on a quarter or two to fix ourdecaying roads/bridges....seems like a no brainer, course I only go to gas stations for corn nuts and 40oz Old Style, so i may be biased
Actually, it usually does not work out that way because energy efficiency begins to be a factor. For instance,over-the-road large trucks have been demonstrated with fuel economy a multiple of current averages while modestly increasing vehicle cost. The Mercedes Acros is an example. Increases fuel costs do not translate directly to higher end prices because of that. The tax burden, Federal and State will tend to decrease because of the total present border=n of fossil fuel subsidies. Those do begin with the "depletion allowance" but the ancillary costs are actually greater.wow, some more great ideas except when you factor in that the cost of EVERYTHING will need to increase to compensate for higher energy costs and the higher delivery/transportation costs at every step of the manufacturing and marketing process.
New york county? that is manhattan and is rarely if ever referred to NY County except in the court system. regardless of that trivia, what you say is correct you can probably save almost 40 cents per gallon fueling up in NJ however you need to pay a $13 toll to return to NYC, there is no avoiding that.Most sensible residents of New York County who have ICE fuel in NJ, as I did for decades. Inefficient tax policies lead to such distortions.
you too are exhibiting a myopic view of the situation. you need to consider how is bread made. from the grain farmer to the storage facility to the processor to the baker to the wholesaler to the retailer, to the consumer. All those steps are energy dependent. and when you raise the costs of energy across the board like has been proposed by some here. the entire costs of that loaf of bread will increase exponentially.
you're right, I too self censored because this isn't the place for arguing differing ideologies.I deleted my post because I don't feel like getting involved in this endless argument again.
Fine. Likely save money in the long run as the roads around here have deteriated to the point where they are car wreckers.that's a great idea, how would you feel when they add a few hundred dollar a year road use tax to the EV registrations in lieu of collecting fuel taxes?
Not quite. The Bourough of Manhattan and the island are the same geography. New York County, however, includes a small portion of what is otherwise The Bronx called Spuyten Duyvil, famous mostly for some UN Mission staff housing located there. I included that because many cars live there and they have a tendency to head South and over the GW to buy fuel.New york county? that is manhattan...
Not quite. The Bourough of Manhattan and the island are the same geography. New York County, however, includes a small portion of what is otherwise The Bronx called Spuyten Duyvil, famous mostly for some UN Mission staff housing located there. I included that because many cars live there and they have a tendency to head South and over the GW to buy fuel.
This is the real point, in my view. We might manage to move towards some equality if we are not trying to fight for only subsidies and preferences rather than trying to level the playing field. Any leveling will certainly be to the net benefit of EV's; road tax is certainly more equitable than is a gasoline tax,I',m Ok with paying $250.00 to $300.00 per year road tax, they're going to do it sooner or later, so lets get it over with. Lets also get the bridges repaired while their at it.
Much of the world follows such principles. Here in Rio de Janeiro we pay an average of $4.45 per gallon of "commun-zero additives" and typically $5.25 for the equivalent of the NA regular gasoline. At that these are 27.5% alcohol, enough to cause fuel system problems in non-flex vehicles. I replaced the fuel pump in my BMW at 8,000 km because of alcohol contamination, not covered by BMW warranty.In greater Vancouver, we have a 6.67¢/litre carbon tax, and a 17.0¢/litre transit tax (times that by 4 (3.79 to be exact) for the price per gallon). And that's on top of an average of 35% tax on gas in Canada. A litre of gas today is $1.24 at the pumps which is $4.70 per gallon. But we have "free" health care!