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I haven't owned a 911 since 1985 so don't know the current cars. My last Porsche was a Cayman, which I sold to buy the Roadster. Although both are mid engine, they are of course very different vehicles in many ways. I'm very happy with my Roadster even though it lacks some of the luxury features of the Cayman, has a much smaller trunk (the Cayman has a big frunk), and is far harder to get in and out of! ;-)
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Bizarre / sloppy that someone would mix up window stickers like that.
In any case, I think this is/was #427:
TEG, thanks for your post. Yes it is quite bizarre, particularly because my Roadster was a trade in to a BMW dealer and it isn't as if that dealer had multiple Roadsters sitting around and got their window stickers mixed up. That sticker likely came from the previous owner of my Roadster, but why would he have had it when it was not for his car?
I would be glad to send the window sticker for #427 to the owner of that car.
More interestingly, I remain confused as to why the window sticker under "Standard Exterior Features" lists "Home-based charging system with integral safety features for full re-charge in about 3.5 hours". That clearly refers to the HPC, which I understand was an option. The UMC and SMC cannot recharge the car in 3.5 hours, only the HPC can do that.
But then under Selected Options" is shown "High Power Connector", which is the HPC.
So why is the HPC listed as both "Standard" and an "Option" in that document?
Chickenlittle
Banned
Maybe he had two roadsters and mixed them up. I bought one from someone who had more than one
Well it also shows all the optional equipment as $0 yet the total price seems to reflect optional equipment.
Multiple things confusing about that sticker they included with your car.
ra-san
Member
On those stickers, as I recall, all the option items are shown as 0, but them being listed indicates they are installed. At least that's the way I read mine. I don't remember the explanation given when I took delivery but know I double checked everything and it was all documented. Your VIN difference is troublesome, but the options section looks fine.
Edit: your pic doesn't show the forged wheels I'd expect from the options section. I don't recall if the Orange paint was an up charge from base solid color. Don't think it was? So that looks right. Did you get a carbon top? Would have to say that yeah, that's not the sheet for your tesla. Luckily it's the car you want even if it isn't the sheet you want. I'd expect tesla could get you the build info you are looking for.
Edit: your pic doesn't show the forged wheels I'd expect from the options section. I don't recall if the Orange paint was an up charge from base solid color. Don't think it was? So that looks right. Did you get a carbon top? Would have to say that yeah, that's not the sheet for your tesla. Luckily it's the car you want even if it isn't the sheet you want. I'd expect tesla could get you the build info you are looking for.
Yes, it looks like #425 (Orange) has the base (cast) wheels, and the pic I found of #427 shows the (optional at that time) forged wheels.
So, I suspect the sticker was for car #427, and Roadster #425 has slightly different options.
Hopefully whoever first bought #425 didn't pay too much for it based on the wrong window sticker!
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Over time options changed, and pricing of options changed. It may be why they stopped showing prices since they could have been in flux.
They might have been getting ready to make the HPC optional, but it was still considered standard equipment at that time.
Here was on old list of all the possible options at one point in 2008:
- Premium leather seats available in nine colors with embroidered Tesla Motors logo
- Microfiber, non-leather seats in black
- Bluetooth cellular phone integration
- Satellite radio with 170 channels of digital sound
- Seven-speaker premium sound system tuned for Tesla Roadster cockpit
- Touch-screen navigation system with voice guidance
- Matching body-colored carbon fiber hardtop with full headliner
- Metallic and premium paint
- Tesla Motors custom floor mats
- Mobile charging system
I think Very Orange was an upcharge premium paint option.
Chickenlittle
Banned
After a week of charging at 110V/12A (painfully slow!) my electrician installed the HPC that came with the car. It's pure luxury to be charging at 70A! Almost as fast as my Model S HPWC at 80A. It is interesting how much thicker the Roadster HPC cable is compared to the Model S HPWC cable which delivers slightly more amperage. The Roadster HPC cable is massive, and heavy!
Chickenlittle
Banned
Actually, on a per-mile basis the Roadster charges much faster at 70A than the Model S does at 80A. That's because the Roadster has about 2/3 the power consumption of the Model S, by virtue of being a lot smaller and lighter. (Smaller being the most important aspect; although the drag coefficient is higher, simply having a much smaller profile means much less aerodynamic drag).
It's copper. The Roadster cable is a conservative design. The Model S cable is pushing the limits of what is possible.
Actually much faster than your MS if measuring miles-per-hour of charging. If you're making a road trip without superchargers and you have to wait for charging, the Roadster is much better.
And much more reliable. And doesn't heat up and waste energy like the MS HPWC does.
Tesla improved many things with the Model S. The chargers were not one of them, unless your criteria is weight. Actually I like the MS connector except for the cheap contacts.
According to Charging | Tesla Motors the Roadster HOC charges at a rate of "56 miles of range at peak power". And at Tesla Charging | Tesla Motors it says that the Model as HPWC charges at a maximum rate of 58 miles of range per hour.
So I was just saying that the Model S charges slightly faster than the Roadster at home (excluding Supercharger DC charging). I do take your point that the Roadster uses less energy per mile than the Model S.
So I was just saying that the Model S charges slightly faster than the Roadster at home (excluding Supercharger DC charging). I do take your point that the Roadster uses less energy per mile than the Model S.
Based on my own direct experience charging both cars at the same location, the Roadster will add more miles per hour while charging at 70A than the Model S at 80A. The only exception might be when the Roadster requires a lot of A/C to cool the battery. You have both cars and can easily perform the test. Make sure the Roadster SOC is low enough that it doesn't start to taper off during the time period of your test, and that the battery is not very warm. I don't know why Tesla's web site has different specs. On Friday I charged my Roadster at a friend's house at 70A and added 17 mi in the first 15 minutes.
Maybe one of those cases where YMMV.
So after 5 weeks of ownership I am loving this car! It is such a contrast to my Model S. Interestingly, my perception is that the Roadster regen braking is stronger than the Model S, or maybe because the Roadster weighs so much less the regen is more effective at slowing the car down. I love the direct "no assist" steering. And I love the mind-blowing acceleration.
I don't like driving the car in range mode because of the power limiting. However, one of the locations I sometimes work at is a 146 mile roundtrip from my house. To try to do that on a standard charge is iffy, and I don't want to drive 60mph or less on the freeway. I discovered that the San Rafael Service Center has a Roadster HPC that is available 24/7, and it is directly on the route I take to that work location in Santa Rosa. So that really helps!
I have range charged the car about three times since owning it. Before I bought it from the BMW dealer in Sarasota Florida, Nigel Mould had the dealer start a range charge and he sent me a photo showing the car ended charging with 241 miles of Ideal Range, and the log showed the CAC as 154. But since owning the car my range charges never get over 121 Ideal Miles
I'm concerned that I can't get the car to range charge to a higher mileage figure. Over the past month I've driven the car almost one thousand miles, always plug it in to my HPC (240V / 70A) every night and have standard charged it many times. When I first got the car, for a week before my electrician hooked up the HPC, I was charging it 24/7 on the SMC (don't have a UMC) and the charge rate was so slow that I could never get it to fully range charge.
About an hour before downloading my most recent log file today, the car completed a range charge (I've only done a range charge three times). The charge stopped on its own (I did not stop it) with the Ideal Miles shown as 214 and the Rated Miles show as 170. That is the most miles I have been able to get it to display after a range charge since I got it. I've range charged it about three times.
Here is what is shown in my latest log file:
Barrys-Air-2:~ barrybrisco$ /Applications/VMSParser /Volumes/DISK_IMG/VehicleLogs/5YJRE11B781000425/201411102000/vms_log
Analyze: /Volumes/DISK_IMG/VehicleLogs/5YJRE11B781000425/201411102000/vms_log
V1.5 Roadster VIN 5YJRE11B781000425
Transient Log Summary
(then a long table of driving and charging data and then this at the end of the table)
11/10/2014 07:43:58 - 11/10/2014 09:06:31 (01:22:33) Charge 84% -> 93% 239V 56A of 56A 8.0 kWh 14.4 Ah 0.1 Ah
/Volumes/DISK_IMG/VehicleLogs/5YJRE11B781000425/201411102000/vms_log Transient section: odometer: 11525.0 to 13006.0 (1481.0 mi), 52.8 hours of driving, 304.5 hours of charging, over 221.9 days
Approximate CAC: 143.40 Ah as of 11/10/2014 09:07:08
I don't like driving the car in range mode because of the power limiting. However, one of the locations I sometimes work at is a 146 mile roundtrip from my house. To try to do that on a standard charge is iffy, and I don't want to drive 60mph or less on the freeway. I discovered that the San Rafael Service Center has a Roadster HPC that is available 24/7, and it is directly on the route I take to that work location in Santa Rosa. So that really helps!
I have range charged the car about three times since owning it. Before I bought it from the BMW dealer in Sarasota Florida, Nigel Mould had the dealer start a range charge and he sent me a photo showing the car ended charging with 241 miles of Ideal Range, and the log showed the CAC as 154. But since owning the car my range charges never get over 121 Ideal Miles
I'm concerned that I can't get the car to range charge to a higher mileage figure. Over the past month I've driven the car almost one thousand miles, always plug it in to my HPC (240V / 70A) every night and have standard charged it many times. When I first got the car, for a week before my electrician hooked up the HPC, I was charging it 24/7 on the SMC (don't have a UMC) and the charge rate was so slow that I could never get it to fully range charge.
About an hour before downloading my most recent log file today, the car completed a range charge (I've only done a range charge three times). The charge stopped on its own (I did not stop it) with the Ideal Miles shown as 214 and the Rated Miles show as 170. That is the most miles I have been able to get it to display after a range charge since I got it. I've range charged it about three times.
Here is what is shown in my latest log file:
Barrys-Air-2:~ barrybrisco$ /Applications/VMSParser /Volumes/DISK_IMG/VehicleLogs/5YJRE11B781000425/201411102000/vms_log
Analyze: /Volumes/DISK_IMG/VehicleLogs/5YJRE11B781000425/201411102000/vms_log
V1.5 Roadster VIN 5YJRE11B781000425
Transient Log Summary
(then a long table of driving and charging data and then this at the end of the table)
11/10/2014 07:43:58 - 11/10/2014 09:06:31 (01:22:33) Charge 84% -> 93% 239V 56A of 56A 8.0 kWh 14.4 Ah 0.1 Ah
/Volumes/DISK_IMG/VehicleLogs/5YJRE11B781000425/201411102000/vms_log Transient section: odometer: 11525.0 to 13006.0 (1481.0 mi), 52.8 hours of driving, 304.5 hours of charging, over 221.9 days
Approximate CAC: 143.40 Ah as of 11/10/2014 09:07:08
wiztecy
Active Member
You should run VMSparser with the -b option to get anything really useful regarding the battery health, such as low, adv, and history of the CAC:
./VMSParser -b 201410221743.tar
./VMSParser -b 201410221743.tar
Okay thanks, I just did that. Most of the output doesn't mean anything to me, but there is one part I think I partially understand. The columns of data with these headers:
timestamp, brickahmin, brickahave, bricknumber
Is that data the "history" of the CAC that you referred to? Is the "bricknumber" the number of the brick in the battery with the lowest ("limiting") charge?
It starts out on the day the car was built, 04/25/2009, at 156.77, when I received the car in California in early October of this year it was 151.41, and over the past three weeks it has declined to 143.89. That is a concern.
This past June, before I bought the car, Tesla Service in Sarasota FL replaced the battery with a refurbished unit and there is a one year warranty on the battery from that time.
timestamp, brickahmin, brickahave, bricknumber
Is that data the "history" of the CAC that you referred to? Is the "bricknumber" the number of the brick in the battery with the lowest ("limiting") charge?
It starts out on the day the car was built, 04/25/2009, at 156.77, when I received the car in California in early October of this year it was 151.41, and over the past three weeks it has declined to 143.89. That is a concern.
This past June, before I bought the car, Tesla Service in Sarasota FL replaced the battery with a refurbished unit and there is a one year warranty on the battery from that time.
dhrivnak
Active Member
My car is at 141 unfortunately that is part of a "normal" drop. Please make sure you enter the data into the Owners battery study. If you car is within 2 standard deviations of the average for your mileage it will be hard to get Tesla to do anything.
Plug In America
Plug In America
wiztecy
Active Member
bricknumber is your lowest CAC/limiting brick. It should rotate out, can stay for 4 months or so as the lowest brick. Paste your last line showing your latest CAC, how does brickahmin compare to brickahave? I'd at least mention your concern to Tesla.
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