Model S specs

[EVNow]

It seems to me that what's going on is that the larger batteries have higher power. That would explain the faster 0-60 times, the higher top speeds, and also the lack of "supercharging" on the smaller batteries: They just can't accept energy that fast. It makes sense when you think about it. Sticking in 160 miles of charge in a half hour to a 160 mile battery is a full charge in a half hour (2C). Doing the same for a 300 mile battery is a little more than half that rate (1.1C).

There is a separate thread on this - we should probably use that - but given that non-liquid cooled Leaf's 24kWh battery can handle QC, 40kWh S shouldn't have a problem. In anycase, they could have reduced the power if they wanted.

I think from a competetive angle, this makes the base S look worse than Infiniti EV.

 

[ckessel]

I ran the prices for what differed between the Sig and non-Sig, thus I didn't throw in the roof option since it doesn't affect the price differential.

                 Base     Sport    Sig      Sig Sport
Starting         69900    79900    87900    97900
Sport Std Equip      0     5000        0        0
Premium Paint     1500     1500        0        0
Wheels            3500        0        0        0
Leather           1500        0        0        0
Tech Package      3750     3750        0        0
Sound Package      950      950        0        0
Air Suspension    1500        0        0        0
Parcel Shelf       250      250        0        0
Twin Charger      1500     1500        0        0
                
Total            84350    92850    87900    97900

So...Sigs are over priced. For non-Sigs, sport upgrades are effectively $8500 if you were going to get the other goodies anyway. Given I don't care about Signature Red or the badging, if I downgrade from Sig, don't care about the twin charger, want one of the $750 dollar paint jobs, then I can get a Sport edition for close to the same price as a regular Sig.

Which would you rather have? A pretty decked out Sport or a non-sport Sig? Yea, me too, seems a no-brainer.

 

[TEG]

...given that non-liquid cooled Leaf's 24kWh battery can handle QC, 40kWh S shouldn't have a problem...

Different types of batteries have different QC capability. Just using pack capacity doesn't come close to telling the whole story of what is possible.

 

[aviators99]

So now it says "Deliveries Fall 2012" for non-signatures. So even the "R" list with 85kwh is going to have to wait until the fall?

 

[AnOutsider]

So now it says "Deliveries Fall 2012" for non-signatures. So even the "R" list with 85kwh is going to have to wait until the fall?

If deliveries begin in July, that is only about 2 months later. Makes sense considering rampup

 

[Todd Burch]

So now it says "Deliveries Fall 2012" for non-signatures. So even the "R" list with 85kwh is going to have to wait until the fall?

I think that's always assumed to have been the case. At least that's when *I* assumed the R's would start (after the big wigs, Sigs and Sig Specials).

 

[smorgasbord]

So now it says "Deliveries Fall 2012" for non-signatures. So even the "R" list with 85kwh is going to have to wait until the fall?

Yup. "R" cars come after all Sig models. Tesla was talking production numbers around 6K in 2012, starting in July. That's an average rate of 1K per month, but my guess is they'll start out a lot slower and end the year a lot faster.

I have the highest "R" production number in the US (270). I'm figuring after Labor Day but before Halloween.

 

[EVNow]

Different types of batteries have different QC capability. Just using pack capacity doesn't come close to telling the whole story of what is possible.

Yes - but a 40kW reduced power charging shouldn't be a problem at all (that is just 1C !). Remember you charge at a much higher rate when using regen.

 

[Todd Burch]

Yes - but a 40kW reduced power charging shouldn't be a problem at all (that is just 1C !). Remember you charge at a much higher rate when using regen.

Not necessarily...technically less regen might be used with smaller packs...right?

 

[EVNow]

Not necessarily...technically less regen might be used with smaller packs...right?

Less than 4kW ?! Leaf has 30kW of regen and we think it is not enough. To get the kind of driving experience you get with aggressive regen, you need to allow for much larger regen.

 

[Todd Burch]

Who said anything about 4kW? Maybe in all of my excited posts I'm in a different conversation....

 

[EVNow]

Who said anything about 4kW? Maybe in all of my excited posts I'm in a different conversation....

Sorry, I meant 40kW or 1C (which isn't too bad, actually).

 

[Kipernicus]

Does the power lift gate include a "foot sensor" to open the trunk when your arms are full of stuff?

 

[EVNow]

Does the power lift gate include a "foot sensor" to open the trunk when your arms are full of stuff?

Hey, they can't do that. Ford probably has a patent on it !

 

[goyogi]

Does the power lift gate include a "foot sensor" to open the trunk when your arms are full of stuff?

They should have as part of the tech package facial recognition so if you are the owner you can ask your S to "Open the pod bay door" and it will lip read you and open the tailgate.

 

[Kipernicus]

How about keyless start? Will we need the tech package with keyless entry to get keyless start? I'm guessing yes.

 

[Doug_G]

"Additional Standard Equipment $5000" - I do believe that's just saying how much the extra features are worth, because later on it says Napa Leather is included, Active Air Suspension is standard, High Performance Wheels are standard, and High Performance Tires are no-cost option. And those together are $5000.

So for a full-up configuration, with Pano roof but no rear facing seats or HPC, I get:

	Model S	Performance	Signature	Signature Performance
Price 85kWh Battery	$69,900.00	$79,900.00	$87,900.00	$97,900.00
Panoramic Roof	$1,500.00	$1,500.00	$1,500.00	$1,500.00
21” Wheels and Performance Tires	$3,500.00
Leather Seats	$1,500.00
Tech Package	$3,750.00	$3,750.00
Sound Studio	$950.00	$950.00
Air Suspension	$1,500.00
Parcel Shelf (cargo cover)	$250.00	$250.00
Twin Chargers	$1,500.00	$1,500.00
Total	$84,350.00	$87,850.00	$89,400.00	$99,400.00
Delta Signature to Regular			$5,050.00	$11,550.00

So here's the thing: $5,050 seems like a reasonable surcharge for the Signature. But $11,550.00 does NOT seem like a reasonable surcharge for the Signature Performance. Here's why: upgrading to Performance gives you the 21" Wheels and Performance Tires, Leather Seats, and Air Suspension. But Signature already has those options - a total of $6,500.00 of options that you appear to be paying for twice.

I don't think they've thought this through.

 

[ckessel]

So here's the thing: $5,050 seems like a reasonable surcharge for the Signature. But $11,550.00 does NOT seem like a reasonable surcharge for the Signature Performance.

Well, for me, any surcharge isn't acceptable. I gave Tesla an extra $35k to play with for a while, I certainly didn't expect a surcharge on top of it.

As I said earlier, I'll wait until after the holidays to verify the surcharge exists, but if it does I'll be looking to trade my Sig spot with a P holder. If it comes to that, would you mind me starting a thread somewhere asking for the swap? I'll have to check with Tesla first to figure out if that's allowed or not. I'm really wishing I hadn't upgraded to the Sig now.

 

[Mycroft]

Doug, I take to mean that you have to buy the $5,000 in options in addition to the $79,900 base price. No idea why they did it that way though.

 

[Mycroft]

Frankly, because we're first and we have a couple of additional features (especially the early delivery feature and the additional up-front hand holding that we're getting), I fully expected a surcharge and IMHO $5k is reasonable.