Then don't drive with it turned on. Put on music instead. I guess it's so BMW driver's don't get homesick, both have synthetic engine noise, but the BMW has an engine.
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Jaguar I-Pace
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Then don't drive with it turned on. Put on music instead. I guess it's so BMW driver's don't get homesick, both have synthetic engine noise, but the BMW has an engine.
Nobody knows what the EPA filing for a 100% charge will be yet. I would venture a guess that if were 240 miles as per the Jaguar website, they would have filed already. They have not.
Thank you - have you got a link to that plan?
Porsche's own roll-out plan seems atm to be separate and additional to EA's. (I had expected it to be counted within the EA plan). I'm tracking down information on it as well..
I've only been able to find the current and April 2019 versions of the plan.
April 2017 : "2500+ non-proprietary chargers across 450+ individual stations". by end Q2 2019
Current: 300 locations by end Q2 2019, 484 by end Q4 2019.
The current plan seems to have slipped 5 months compared to the April plan, against a 26 month timescale.
If that slippage continues, it's looking like 240 locations in a year's time, rather than 300.
He's quoting the WLTP range, and he's... not the world's most aggressive driver. His first EV was an i-Miev, then he had a 24kWh Leaf, before he got his Tesla S 85. I suspect his driving style was formed by his first two vehicles.
Afaict, the only vehicle that has been officially tested on both a European and USA cycle is the Nissan Leaf.
If you apply the Leaf's WLTP:EPA ratio, you get an EPA of 254.
Jag's "realistic" 240 mile figure seems to have been supported by figures coming out of the other journos at the event in Portugal.
They might need an option for those i-Pace customers in Alabama, Mississipi & Louisiana to have synthetic V8 engine noise blaring out of external speakers, lest they get gay bashed...
I was on the Jaguar site yesterday, too, and "built" one for the fun of it. It was like I remembered from pre-Tesla days looking at new cars -- lots of options, and packages, with glorious and somewhat confusing names for many features.
Aside from that, I was struck by the difficulty of finding solid information about charging. On the main site where you can "build" your car, the very tiny fine print in the footnotes tells you that the charging features shown in the brochure do not apply in the US and direct you to jaguarusa.som. going there, I could not find anything about charging capability or infrastructure, and indeed very little about the iPAce at all -- all i found was a "concept" photo. I did not see the term "CCS" anywhere. Someone who had a smidgen of knowledge would be hard-pressed to find out anything meaningful about how one could charge a car here in the USA.
Maybe I did not spend enough time. But either way, there seems not to be much easily available info on how and where an owner would be able to charge this thing in the US.
Hmm. He actually said "...I think a completely plausible 298 mile range so here in normal driving I reckon sure I could get over 300 if your're really careful if you were feathering it and hypermiling it you could probably go over 300..."
So he seems to thing that up to 298 is "plausible,", but that you have to be careful or hypermile to get over 300.
I know this doesn't directly contradict what you said, but I'm not confident that 300 is a real world target either...
Sorry of off-topic (not a question about the jaguar), but this is good info about the CCS rollout.
Question: Are the CCS chargers free? Or is it up to the individual landlords for each property where they are located (like Chargepoint)? Are they on one network, or will you need a fistful of RFID cards to make a trip, using CCS chargers on various networks?
Personally, I think the crazy-quilt charging infrastructure is a nightmare and it is interfering with EV adoption. Ultimately we need to come to the single protocol universal solution that is analogous to the gas station for ICE cars -- any car can buy gas at any station regardless of car make or gas brand. The multi-car CCS approach is starting to get there on the technology side, but not sure abut the network/payment side. And Tesla is not (yet?) playing in the CCS league....
I had the impression that EA was going to be the owner and operator of all the sites they are installing, presumably with their own method of identifying customers and fee structure.
My expectation is it will be a lot more than Tesla charges and likely more the equivalent gas prices to begin with, but we'll see.
The sound defaults to comfort, but then saves your settings based on a BT com with your phone. If you don't know there is a 'engine sound' option, you will never find it. Hence why some reviews don't have it on, and some reviewers don't mention it.
I'd de-rate that by 50% or higher on a closed course. It does have a heat pump and heated windshield glass though.
There's still no EPA figure available, only a Jag estimate. My money is on 245 to 265 miles for the official EPA wen it's published. My forecast for publication is late July/early August.
The WLTP official range is available, and it's 298 miles.
If you use the Nissan Leaf 40kWh conversion factor for WLTP to EPA, you get a 254 mile prediction for the i-Pace's EPA
Oddly enough there is a thread on this site requesting that Tesla put in an optional engine sound.
Luckily you hit on the one acceptable negative stereotyping allowed and endorsed in the US, the concept that Southerners are mostly white trash. While our only legally permitted 'racism' deals with a geocentric racial class, it appears not countries are like that. You'd have been surprised what I heard in France and England from the everyday middle class folk. Or perhaps not?
Ignorance, cruelty, racism and bigotry in Australia
IMO, it's not as clear cut as one is viable, the other is dismal and not viable.
The UK has about a 4:1 CCS to Supercharger stall ratio, and covers about 4 times as many motorway service stations.
The Supercharger speed advantage over 50kW CCS requires fewer than 50% stall occupancy, or being first car to the charger.. (Although given how far back Model 3 deliveries to the UK have been pushed back, this won't be an issue there for years, mind you).
The UK roll-out for >50kW CCS *is* truly dismal, mind you. The first two are due to go live in Q4 of this year. Ecotricity's first is due for spring of next year.
Meantime, the USA has gone from zero at the start of last month, to 4 locations with a total of 22 to 26 chargers, split 50/50 between 150 & 350kW CCS chargers.
Something to note if you've driven a Bolt or Leaf or Model 3.
All set to max regen, all numbers per Motor Trend:
All set to max regen, all numbers per Motor Trend:
- The i-Pace will regen from 60-10 mph in 5.7 seconds. (OPD) (103 kW?)
- The Bolt will do it in 9 seconds. (OPD+paddle)
- The Leaf in 12 seconds (OPD)
- The M3 in 14 seconds, no One Pedal Driving mode.
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There are currently 3 operators providing CCS at scale - almost all the 1,100 locations belong to one of those three.
EA are a fourth operator/
Porsche say they are going to run their own branded network of locations, too. 110 dealers, and the rest out in the wild. About half will be 350kW (not clear if its 50% of locations or chargers, but I'm assuming it's chargers, as the Mission E is one of the few 800V vehicles out there).
So that's 5 operators at scale, in 18 months time.
In the UK, Jaguar are attempting to get a use-any-operator's-charger thing going for i-Pace drivers.
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