Try looking at the EPA range vs. actual , expressed as a negative % number.uhh.. the model 3 was basically the best of the bunch (highest mi / kw) in your second article except for the mach-e which had quite a larger battery...
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Try looking at the EPA range vs. actual , expressed as a negative % number.uhh.. the model 3 was basically the best of the bunch (highest mi / kw) in your second article except for the mach-e which had quite a larger battery...
yeah i see that.. but all i care about is efficiency / range ... who cares if the EPA has a screwy formula?Try looking at the EPA range vs. actual , expressed as a negative % number.
Well you did ask:yeah i see that.. but all i care about is efficiency / range ... who cares if the EPA has a screwy formula?
yeah.. exactly.. doesnt the EPA test them all the same? so if you drive at 55 you'll get the EPA range, right? and the tesla still does better in real world range tooWell you did ask:
"also what is with the real world range thing? doesnt the EPA test them all the same?"
Right?
Yeah it’ll be interesting to see what the details look like when they dig into it. But it has an 800v system, bi directional charging, ac seats, car play, shade for the sunroof built in, actual blind spot monitoring, etc etc.The fit / finish and aesthetics left a good impression. Let's see him tear one apart and get into how its engineered and constructed.
Also worth noting, Sandy and his company offer services to help manufacturers streamline production, simplify parts, and reduce costs. He rails on "over engineered" and superfluous stuff quite frequently, which are not necessarily indicative of quality problems.
They do have a heat pump except the base level RWD. I posted a link to the Ioniq 5 forum post the lists the specs for each trim level.Yeah it’ll be interesting to see what the details look like when they dig into it. But it has an 800v system, bi directional charging, ac seats, car play, shade for the sunroof built in, actual blind spot monitoring, etc etc.
It’s much better equipped than the Y for sure and I would definitely consider one. A downside is I believe it doesn’t have a heat pump, only the EV6 does. I think the styling was knocked out of the park. I think some of the storage space deficit is due to the smaller size. Make it the same size as a Y and they would probably be equal.
From what I see, Tesla is super efficient in terms of miles / kwh but it doesn't get anywhere near their stated range in real world testing.yeah.. exactly.. doesnt the EPA test them all the same? so if you drive at 55 you'll get the EPA range, right? and the tesla still does better in real world range too
but its not really "their" stated range is it? its just an EPA drive test...From what I see, Tesla is super efficient in terms of miles / kwh but it doesn't get anywhere near their stated range in real world testing.
I feel like we're have separate conversations.but its not really "their" stated range is it? its just an EPA drive test...
yeah Tesla publishes the EPA range on their website.. but it's not like a unique test for tesla cars? is it their fault they perform so well on the EPA test but not at 75 mph? the faster you go the more the square of the drag will bring u down.. so it makes sense the most efficient vehicles will suffer when going highway speeds (and the most percentage wise)... yet they are still the most efficient.. i dont see that as a "knock" on TeslaI feel like we're have separate conversations.
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Look for yourself what Tesla claims the range of MYLR / MYP are. Those are based on EPA figures. Now look at the 3 sample "real world" range tests people have done, admittedly under non-controlled circumstances. Compare the % over / under range, relative to the other manufacturers who also have similar range claims. At this point we will be having the same conversation.
Wait, you can't test drive an Ionic 5 unless you agree to buy one at a markup? So what would be the point of a test drive in this scenario?IMO, ioniq 5 looks better than Y. range is more close to real world. but dealer ask me to agree to pay 5k markup to get test drive, I said good luck and walked away and ordered Y instead same day
that is true. he asked me if I want to pay 5k markup, I said NO to be honest, he then refused to let me test drive. LOL , I can not believe it as well.Wait, you can't test drive an Ionic 5 unless you agree to buy one at a markup? So what would be the point of a test drive in this scenario?
Anyway, I think the Ionic 5 look good and seems to be well equipped. I do think some aspects of the exterior seem over-designed in pictures and videos, but maybe it's better in person. I'd love to test drive one someday. Seems like a real legit competitor in the EV market for sure.
Last time then I'll put the bone down since it seems you asked a question for which there is no acceptable or decipherable answer from your perspective.yeah Tesla publishes the EPA range on their website.. but it's not like a unique test for tesla cars? is it their fault they perform so well on the EPA test but not at 75 mph? the faster you go the more the square of the drag will bring u down.. so it makes sense the most efficient vehicles will suffer when going highway speeds (and the most percentage wise)... yet they are still the most efficient.. i dont see that as a "knock" on Tesla
take super inefficient 12mpg type vehicles.. they get 12mpg at 50 mph and get basically 12mpg at 80 mph... is that something to be applauded?
EVs generally do the worst at sea levelLast time then I'll put the bone down since it seems you asked a question for which there is no acceptable or decipherable answer from your perspective.
The way I view these postings is they reflect real world usage vs. "contrived, artificial, under highly controlled variables" range. I don't drive my vehicles at sea level, when it's 70f out, on a flat track, at 50mph steady speeds. Therefore these mixed condition tests in particular are very interesting, especially when some manufacturers state LOWER range than users are observing under real world conditions. That last part was my point. Tesla are saying 3xx, but nobody is getting close to this whereas some manufacturers must be understating their range, measurable when people are testing under non-controlled conditions, and getting greater than manufacturer stated.
Both vehicles have more than sufficient practical range for me personally so it's moot point.
A typical long-term test by a publication like Edmunds, C&D, etc is 40k miles. So if the test car was a long-term tester it would have something between 0-40,000 miles on it.Fair enough but the Y this particular reviewer is using is quite old. I am sure they could source a recent one with better fit and finish, current interior if they really wanted. Instead they keep harping on squeaks and rattles on their particular unit, and compare Tesla’s claimed ranged to what they are getting without mentioning they have heavily used the vehicle in question.
This will be helpful for understanding the differences. Yes Tesla's are efficient, but their stated ranges routinely do not meet the real world results and their delta is typically larger than other manufacturers for the reasons stated in the article:yeah Tesla publishes the EPA range on their website.. but it's not like a unique test for tesla cars? is it their fault they perform so well on the EPA test but not at 75 mph? the faster you go the more the square of the drag will bring u down.. so it makes sense the most efficient vehicles will suffer when going highway speeds (and the most percentage wise)... yet they are still the most efficient.. i dont see that as a "knock" on Tesla
take super inefficient 12mpg type vehicles.. they get 12mpg at 50 mph and get basically 12mpg at 80 mph... is that something to be applauded?
No. And, no, the EPA DOES NOT usually test most vehicles.yeah.. exactly.. doesnt the EPA test them all the same? so if you drive at 55 you'll get the EPA range, right? and the tesla still does better in real world range too