I hope Tesla Lowers the Supercharging Rates

[Matt L]

Crying paid off.

 

[Lloyd]

According to my research NC average rate for the state is over $.0915/Kwh

Annual Electricity Price Comparison by State

 

[chronopc]

Crying paid off.

Usually does.

 

[eye.surgeon]

I bought this car in part to travel more and at the same time save money. Now I would have been better off to just get an ICE with the rates going up like they have. In one month of ownership, I've put 2,600 miles on the car and roughly 50% of those miles were supercharging.


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If you bought a Tesla for this reason then you made a mistake regardless of the change in supercharging prices. Any number of a dozen or so hybrids have significantly lower cost per mile to operate than any Tesla when total cost of ownership is factored.

 

[eye.surgeon]

Here in California charging puts me into the highest tier PG&E rate is $0.26 per KW. which roughly = about 50 MPGe. Far less than what Tesla advertised, (110 MPGe)

You should be on the EV-A plan with PG&E which has no tiers. It fixes overnight charging at around $.11/kwh

 

[Kant.Ing]

A good example of boiling frog.

But I do hope their expansion plan isn't compromised.

 

[Garlan Garner]

Crying paid off.

Everyone should stand up for what is right. Period.

Criticized by saying "crying" or whatever.

Yesterday was a perfect representation of the "sticks and stones" saying.

Doesn't matter when the results are favorable.
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[Garlan Garner]

A good example of boiling frog.

But I do hope their expansion plan isn't compromised.

I don't believe it will be compromised.

I wonder if there is going to be a slight increase in automobile costs.

Or - maybe an increase of costs to send a rocket into space. lol

 

[vickh]

If you bought a Tesla for this reason then you made a mistake regardless of the change in supercharging prices. Any number of a dozen or so hybrids have significantly lower cost per mile to operate than any Tesla when total cost of ownership is factored.

What about lifetime free SC with MS?

 

[vickh]

Usually does.

they didn't get rid of the increase completely though


"It is still a little high in some markets, but we explain why that can be the case in our last article about it, especially with demand charges, which can be extremely steep for charging station operators"

 

[alloverx]

Just means less SC expansion in the US.

 

[Knightshade]

What about lifetime free SC with MS?

Looking at JUST TCO ignoring things like performance or handling or driver assist features?

The tens of thousands of dollars more the S costs would buy a lot of gasoline.

A 50mpg Prius for example can go 500,000 miles on $20,000 in gasoline with $2/gal gas.

 

[chronopc]

You should be on the EV-A plan with PG&E which has no tiers. It fixes overnight charging at around $.11/kwh

I'm getting $.13/kwh with EV-A plan. When did you get into the plan? I'm just curious if you have a grandfathered rate.

 

[chronopc]

What about lifetime free SC with MS?

I'm glad Tesla got rid of lifetime free SC. People who have a charging solution at home should be charging at home and leaving the SC for people who doesn't or who are on a road trip.

 

[vickh]

I'm glad Tesla got rid of lifetime free SC. People who have a charging solution at home should be charging at home and leaving the SC for people who doesn't or who are on a road trip.

I meant does that make a old MS more valuable?

 

[vickh]

Looking at JUST TCO ignoring things like performance or handling or driver assist features?

The tens of thousands of dollars more the S costs would buy a lot of gasoline.

A 50mpg Prius for example can go 500,000 miles on $20,000 in gasoline with $2/gal gas.

I'm comparing it to a 40K CPO MS vs about 25K for a new Prius.

 

[mhan00]

Whenever I see you post about your electric usage I feel bad. I'm also on SDG&E, have solar (8kW) and a heat pump, and have a ~$5 a month bill. You're definitely subsidizing my use of the grid!

The Qualcomm supercharger is now $0.34/kWh. It will be interesting to see if that eliminates the congestion there (I checked this morning and it was still full). Maybe I'll be able to go over there and see if supercharging works on my car.

It’ll take quite some time before you see much of a change at Qualcomm, IMO. Lots of cars there with grandfathered unlimited supercharging, with quite a few owners working at Qualcomm most likely, so they’re going to be at it for a wholeness yet.

 

[chronopc]

I meant does that make a old MS more valuable?

It could. Depend on the potential buyer's charging situation. I do most of my charging at home, so I wouldn't pay more for free SC.

 

[vickh]

It could. Depend on the potential buyer's charging situation. I do most of my charging at home, so I wouldn't pay more for free SC.

I agree. I looked into adding a charger at home, but we might be moving in about a year. Grandfathered unlimited supercharging is very valuable, since the SC on my way home is not busy at all.

Not sure if grandfathered unlimited supercharging stays with the car when I sell.

 

[Knightshade]

I'm comparing it to a 40K CPO MS vs about 25K for a new Prius.

Ok...well a 15k price difference, at $2/gal for gas (and electricity free for the model S) means you'd need to drive 375,000 miles in the Model S before you break even on the extra 15k you paid for it.

(But again this ignores all the other differences between the cars- and also pretends the huge time wasted by supercharging 100% of the time doesn't exist)