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maybe in the case of a Raptor which is kinda a special make vehicle.Pickups can be over $70k today.
I'm not sure, I was thinking of the Gigafactory and Panasonic participation.
The 2018 Camry and other foreign badged cars have been designed in the US....not necessarily Engineered (detailed design). Heck...Tesla's Roadster was Lotus based...yeah Engineering was probably in the US...but it's a Lotus design. Personally.....I'd love to buy an all American car....whether that exists is obviously debatable.I love a car that can be designed, engineered and manufactured in the USA! Gonna love my model 3 that much more knowing I'm supporting my fellow engineers
And I would say that a lot of 4 door sedans can be comparable to the model 3 especially in price, but not in terms of performance, safety, and cost of ownership.
They've been working on kaizen since shortly after World War II.but Japanese badged cars' (depending on the model...there are lemons) high quality and high reliability still reigns.
maybe in the case of a Raptor which is kinda a special make vehicle.
Regular trucks with every luxury imaginable sticker in the 60s and sell in the 50s after rebates/markdowns and currently 0% interest
Interesting idea.It's a different topic but if GM wanted to do something useful.. instead of the super boring Chevy bolt (which nobody is going to buy), why not build a nice electric pick up truck.
Superior handling, 0 to 60 under 5 seconds etc, 90 mpe etc. I am pretty sure this would have a lot of appeal over a standard pick up truck.
It's a different topic but if GM wanted to do something useful.. instead of the super boring Chevy bolt (which nobody is going to buy), why not build a nice electric pick up truck.
Superior handling, 0 to 60 under 5 seconds etc, 90 mpe etc. I am pretty sure this would have a lot of appeal over a standard pick up truck.
World of difference between light duty and class 3 trucks. Did we really need to split this hair?This is not the most expensive, but build one this way:
2500 crew cab
4x4 (elocker or equivalent of course)
diesel
highest trim level (leather/power/etc trim)
rear entertainment.
Now let's say you don't want to be seen in a pickup that everybody else with a Stetson is drivin':
Build and price the F-450 Platinum or King Ranch. With no options they are $78k and $73k respectively.
I configured a F-450 with options I'd like. It was $87,699 after incentives.
IIRC, in Feb 2004, I bought diesel 4x4 3500SRW SLT w/entertainment group for $54k? Corrected for inflation that's $71k. It was not fully optioned, but close.
World of difference between light duty and class 3 trucks. Did we really need to split this hair?
You will get 4 miles an hour with a standard plugthe quotes I've gotten from Seattle electricians make this a $1k-$2k inconvenience (to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet 2 feet away from my garage fuse panel).
Planning to try out plugging into a standard wall outlet and see how well that does at replenishing our daily 10-mile roundtrip commute.
They hear tesla price doubles or even 4xI paid $200 for about a 10-15 foot run and a 14-50 outlet.
The trick might be to not mention EV at all.
If the dealer did this it's a big reason tesla buyers prefer their tesla buying experience. One thing I cannot stand is dealers trying to sell "paint protection", "fabric protection", and expensive extended warranties they roll into the payments. Dealers get a bad rap for this very reason. They try to roll as many "extras" into the payment. They are trying to sell you on a payment not just a car. If they can trick you into 50 extra bucks on your payment they are making a killing on the sale.Good job Mod - can you move the country into quarantine too?
Back on topic - if the Camry is the benchmark - then the Toyota has a lot of catching up to do. The new Avalon my mother in law bought is a dog of a car - floaty, old school Cadillac like, knobs everywhere, rough shifting, noisy and frankly a car with reused Toyota parts from 1990 with very little change - kinda like a lawn tractor - with very reliable parts and a dealership network with their hand out for oil changes and anything they can squeeze out of you.
She's 80 and did an impulse buy and they screwed her bad - sold her last years model at full price with tons of mark up... same thing the Cadillac dealer did to her for over 40 years... (she would get a new one every two years) and they were constantly pulling cash out of her and her husband for stupid stuff -- "we changed the air in the tires" and aligned the FM antenna.. etc. etc... I finally got her to look at other stuff and she picked Toyota - which is good for ICE, but not so good compared to Electric... (if she drives 4000 miles a year, I would be stunned) and with Auto pilot it might be more useful than the Avalon in a couple of years.
Can you imagine Toyota charging 1,000 for any other Camry paint than black?
35k is now 36k
Even with a gov credit that car is now 27,500 7,000 more than a 2017 Camry SE on clearance
Most people will not get this credit
But what about the wheels? If you want anything other than the lame aero wheels its now 37,500?
So 35k is now 37,500. We are getting into a range that is about 10k more than the average US car
But add the roof and base auto pilot and now we are at near 47k???
Please explain how 47k is a mass market affordable car?
Tesla was right when they said the model S is far superior. You are better off getting a used model S from the prices I've seen. I also cannot believe the loaded base model of the 3 is 59k. That is absurd