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gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
That's unfortunate but probably an oversight from Tesla; their software may not have accommodated for two reservations on the same "My Tesla" account (if that's the case with you, Steph) and may have simply done a 1:1 for account->test drive invite. I'm sure you can touch base with TM again and see if they can somehow accommodate you for a second test drive?!
I recall a conversation/thread that indicated that the Amped Up test drives would be limited to "1 test drive per account" regardless of how many S's are reserved under the account. Can't say its a good policy, but that's what I recall someone saying they were told. This might mean the lack of a second invite wasn't an oversight.
Was it to avoid having the Icelandic guy come in and do 100 laps? :tongue:
Seriously, I'm with StephRob. Two drivers, two cars, two test drives. Makes sense. I would reach out to TM on that.
Yeah, whoever came up with the policy for no booster seats, if it does indeed apply to those seats that simply sit in the car and are not attached to the car in any way, has never used one of those seats. Hell, my 4 year-old can install his own booster, get in the car and buckle himself in! If I'm doing it, the whole procedure takes <10 seconds.
I can understand them not wanting people to take the time to install a seat with LATCH tethers (even though many of us have gotten pretty proficient at it) but setting a booster seat in is just that; one simply sets it on the seat and the kid sits on top of it. I can understand the need to move people through but it's not like it's going to be a NASCAR pitstop or something!
My advice to the people who want to bring kids: call them, and explain how the booster you want to use actually works.
As for the legal side of things? Well Tesla's legal team should be made aware of the fact that California and the Federal gov't both have rules that prohibit discrimination based on age which extends to discriminating against families with children. I'm not saying that anyone will, or should, sue over this issue. But from a liability standpoint, not allowing someone to safely buckle their child in with a booster that takes almost no time to install, sounds an awful lot like they simply don't want children at the even and, by extension, families with children. Moreover, Elon's a family man who has repeatedly told us how he wants Model S to be family friends and safe for kids. This seems like a money-where-your-mouth-is moment; Tesla's encouraging families to get this car so they should let the family test drive it! Clearly most people who are going to be taking these test drives will have the means to hire a sitter, but what if they're coming from out of town or, like many of us, have kids who we would like to share this event with!
I can understand them not wanting people to take the time to install a seat with LATCH tethers (even though many of us have gotten pretty proficient at it) but setting a booster seat in is just that; one simply sets it on the seat and the kid sits on top of it. I can understand the need to move people through but it's not like it's going to be a NASCAR pitstop or something!
My advice to the people who want to bring kids: call them, and explain how the booster you want to use actually works.
As for the legal side of things? Well Tesla's legal team should be made aware of the fact that California and the Federal gov't both have rules that prohibit discrimination based on age which extends to discriminating against families with children. I'm not saying that anyone will, or should, sue over this issue. But from a liability standpoint, not allowing someone to safely buckle their child in with a booster that takes almost no time to install, sounds an awful lot like they simply don't want children at the even and, by extension, families with children. Moreover, Elon's a family man who has repeatedly told us how he wants Model S to be family friends and safe for kids. This seems like a money-where-your-mouth-is moment; Tesla's encouraging families to get this car so they should let the family test drive it! Clearly most people who are going to be taking these test drives will have the means to hire a sitter, but what if they're coming from out of town or, like many of us, have kids who we would like to share this event with!
Kipernicus
Model S Res#P1440
Sorry to hear about your second reservation test drive, StephRob. Perhaps if both reservations are under the same email address Tesla's algorithm saw that it already sent you a request and therefore didn't send the second one? Hopefully there will be some no-shows or some slack time at the event and you will get to drive, if you let someone know your situation.
There is no substitute for seeing something in person but I just wanted to let you now that when I went to see the Model S a group of us were standing behind the car and looked at the trunk, it was all well and looked completely flat just like on the other pictures we have seen before. My dad being the curious one lifted the hatch in the bottom of the trunk and surprisingly when he opened it the jump seats came out. The space where the jump seats were folded into turns into the footwell for the passengers. Pretty neat :wink:
I didn't take a picture of the space before they were folded up but i can assure you the seats are hidden away completely when folded down.
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
I would be very surprised if one of the stores near you in NoCal doesn't have a third row to examine. Our one and only Beta in the South Florida store fortunately has the third row, and I've put my kids in it, closed the trunk, folded the seats under (to see trunk space), and even folded the second row of seats to see how much space there was (remembering Elon's promise of a 50" TV plus a surfboard!).
FWIW, I believe that the said it's intended for kids not bigger than 70 lbs., so depending on how big your 6 year old is (or his/her friends), you may still get some good use out of them.
PS -- I also think you should get two test drives, and would suggest calling/e-mailing someone at Tesla to explain your situation.
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
Here are some of the pics I referenced in my previous post. They are both the size of average 8 year olds (about 55-60 lbs.), and probably have another year or two to sit back there. Also, you can see how the seats fold completely flat and hidden when not in use:
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
Great pics! Thanks!
Cute kids! Hope you're prepared for them to be the "poster children" for the jump seats go forward
Thanks! Actually, if it was just these two I'd probably forego the seats, but I have a third (see below) and young nieces and nephews I'll need to accommodate for years. Like the third row in an SUV, I imagine using it rarely, but on those rare occasions it will come in REALLY handy when we need to transport lots of kids somewhere.
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
Way OT -- Durant is my oldest son's (and hence also my youngest's) favorite player OUTSIDE of Miami, and OKC playing in the Western Conference usually doesn't pose a problem for us. He's willingly banned from wearing the Durant jersey at least until the Finals are done (hopefully tomorrow night!).
AndyM
Member
Double drat.
I have seen a static display with the third row seats in a couple stores, just didn't have the prescience to measure them.
The more I consider it, my kids have about 1 to 2 years of being able to fit in the back row anyway. I think this level of support shown by TM for kids is going to sway me out of giving them an extra $1500.
However, if you fold the third row down, it fills in the well; and then folding the second row down, I might be able to roll out a sleeping bag. Can the Model S count as an RV? :biggrin:
This has got to count as off-topic by now... apologies.
AndyM
Member
Arnold -
The pic with the hatchback closed with your kids makes me think the car is from the Jetsons.
Thanks for the pics!!!
The pic with the hatchback closed with your kids makes me think the car is from the Jetsons.
Thanks for the pics!!!
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Wait till they start making faces at cars that your Model S Sig Perf leaves behind in its wake
Very cute kids and great pics, Arnold!
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
Wait till they start making faces at cars that your Model S Sig Perf leaves behind in its wake
Very cute kids and great pics, Arnold!
Thanks! I think I posted these awhile ago, but darned if I know which thread. :redface:
Back (sort of) on topic, in looking at the last picture where my youngest is belted in, it occurs to me why Tesla might not want to have kids riding in the third row during the test drives. The seat belts for the third row are like those found in child seats, I think commonly referred to as 5-point, as opposed to regular seat belts that are 3-point. Different 5-point seat belts work in different ways, and without a LOT of practice on this particular one, it could have significantly slowed down the test drives if people tried to belt their kids into those seats in the back without knowing how these particular ones work. I have years of practice with these and it still took me awhile to get him belted in, and I did it only because he insisted.
So maybe Tesla isn't being non-family friendly, but just trying to keep the lines moving because those seats belts in the third row are definitely going to take some getting used to.
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
That's where I looked, but my photos there are from the same trip to the store, but not the same pics of the back seats. I think there was a thread on the child seats several months ago, but I couldn't find it in the Model S forum -- it must be several pages back by now!
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