That may be the answer to why it behaved so badly. He may have been right at the interface point, and the two systems didn't agree on how to handle the scenario at the point of handoff.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
He acknowledged that there was a issue with the way it's handling speeds, and driving way too slow?
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Daniel in SD
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I have no idea what you're even arguing. If V12 is going to be used unsupervised it's going to need to be SAE L3-5*. Of course the number one thing holding it back from being used unsupervised is reliability which isn't even part of SAE J3016.Not much I can do when a bunch of insane people want to call out the one sane person as the insane one
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*It's already L5 (beta)
I don't know if insisting on driver monitoring is going to help. It takes experience with the pitfalls of FSD to react as quickly as I did in the second scenario.
and Biden is going to try and hold Elon/Tesla back, this administration does not even acknowledge Tesla's leadership globallyI have no idea what you're even arguing. If V12 is going to be used unsupervised it's going to need to be SAE L3-5*. Of course the number one thing holding it back from being used unsupervised is reliability which isn't even part of SAE J3016.
*It's already L5 (beta)
pathetic
guys, huge week, 12.3.1 fixes the speed issue, 12.3.2 is out, v12 will be in the main 2024 code next week, seems everyone is getting April FSD for free
some in the press are stating that its Elon tweaking the end of quarter sales results and stock excitement
they don't get it, Elon is playing 4D chess, years ahead of everyone else
Elon knows how and when he does things, its interesting how the average brain cannot even think close or at the same time as Elon
his long game is profound
it will be interesting how Elon keeps up with AI in his bots....
some in the press are stating that its Elon tweaking the end of quarter sales results and stock excitement
they don't get it, Elon is playing 4D chess, years ahead of everyone else
Elon knows how and when he does things, its interesting how the average brain cannot even think close or at the same time as Elon
his long game is profound
it will be interesting how Elon keeps up with AI in his bots....
Knightshade
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He certainly was years ahead when he told us FSD would drive cross country in 2017!
But the V12 stack tends to handle the on/off ramps. (I have had it switch from V12 to V11 to V12 to V11 when getting on the highway at one location.)
Just went to a local Home Depot and come back. I used to pre-disengage about 4 times using V11, along with some manual max speed adjustments in 3 places.
Now the V12.3.1:
- As expected, it passed all previously 4 disengaged locations. Some were rather challenging with lots of traffic, yet it drove just like I would. 100/100 here. V11 was hopeless here, and I personally panicked in all 4 locations, drove like an idiot when I first arrived at my city. I feel in these conditions, V12.3.1 drives better than a human with no existing local knowledge.
- Auto-speed : It is weird. on a road marked 40km/h, it sometimes goes up to 58km/h. I usually use 55km/h max speed, so that's not bad. It also did 79km/h on 60km/h road. It seems I am experiencing more above limit speed than most of you. I also had share of below posted speed experiences.
- Manual accel on auto-speed : When it was doing 60 and I needed it to go 80, I pushed accel, and it kept at 80 nicely. The road wasn't long enough for me to figure out if it goes back to 60 or not. No problem for me there.
- Accel/Brake : It now does both little more aggressively than I'm used to. On the other hand, 2 years ago, I recall being worse. Perhaps I will get used to it.
- Following distance : Not sure what the logic is here. No matter what setting I use, sometimes it feels to far, and sometimes closer than I've ever seen FSD do. Acceptable, but I would have preferred more consistency.
- Cornering : Smooth! Also, I didn't experience the tight almost-curve-hitting type of turns.
In a nut shell, I'll need more time to get used to the new Idiosyncrasies of this version, but I like it. Looking forward to drive some more near the future.
Now the V12.3.1:
- As expected, it passed all previously 4 disengaged locations. Some were rather challenging with lots of traffic, yet it drove just like I would. 100/100 here. V11 was hopeless here, and I personally panicked in all 4 locations, drove like an idiot when I first arrived at my city. I feel in these conditions, V12.3.1 drives better than a human with no existing local knowledge.
- Auto-speed : It is weird. on a road marked 40km/h, it sometimes goes up to 58km/h. I usually use 55km/h max speed, so that's not bad. It also did 79km/h on 60km/h road. It seems I am experiencing more above limit speed than most of you. I also had share of below posted speed experiences.
- Manual accel on auto-speed : When it was doing 60 and I needed it to go 80, I pushed accel, and it kept at 80 nicely. The road wasn't long enough for me to figure out if it goes back to 60 or not. No problem for me there.
- Accel/Brake : It now does both little more aggressively than I'm used to. On the other hand, 2 years ago, I recall being worse. Perhaps I will get used to it.
- Following distance : Not sure what the logic is here. No matter what setting I use, sometimes it feels to far, and sometimes closer than I've ever seen FSD do. Acceptable, but I would have preferred more consistency.
- Cornering : Smooth! Also, I didn't experience the tight almost-curve-hitting type of turns.
In a nut shell, I'll need more time to get used to the new Idiosyncrasies of this version, but I like it. Looking forward to drive some more near the future.
Daniel in SD
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Autonomous vehicles are regulated by the states.
.1 fixed the speed for me after I did a soft reboot after install. I hope it works for you when you get it.
I think people don’t realize how little control the states have on stuff the government wants to put their dirty little hands on, while they have a lot of control on everything else.
Let’s think of what happened when the government wanted to change the legal BAC for driving.
Let’s think of what happened when the government wanted to change the legal BAC for driving.
Daniel in SD
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Have they?
Tesla claims FSD beta is L2 and therefore not subject to AV regulations.
I’m sure there will eventually be federal AV regulations but currently it’s being regulated by the states.
agree, but politically this administration has not made it easy and can make FSD path to level 3+ hard
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The National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued federal guidelines for Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) that include voluntary guidance and technical assistance to states. In 2021, the NHTSA issued a Standing General Order that requires vehicle manufacturers and operators to report crashes involving Level 2 ADAS and Levels 3-5 automated driving systems (ADS). The order also requires manufacturers to submit updated incident reports by the 15th of each month following any calendar month in which notice of new or materially different information about the incident is received. "
For those whose car isn't keeping up with the flow of traffic (while on Auto Speed), I'm definitely interested in why the NN isn't handling that properly. For me, and others who have reported here, when there is moderate traffic around the car, it keeps up with them, even if that means traveling faster than the speed limit. Why is our experience different from those who've reported their cars driving significantly below the speed limit (30's in a 50 zone) even while many cars are around them, changing lanes and passing them?
In this example, my car will stay at or just below the speed limit (light traffic):
In this example, my car will keep up with the cars around it, even if they are speeding (moderate traffic):
In this example, my car will stay at or just below the speed limit (light traffic):
In this example, my car will keep up with the cars around it, even if they are speeding (moderate traffic):
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