I’ve been sitting in the toilet thinking, where’s V12.
My legs are getting tired.
My legs are getting tired.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
Geez, I must've been off grabbing some food because I totally missed that. No wonder the stock is taking a hit today. Oh well, yet another buying opportunity I guess, for some. Unreal.
sleepydoc
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it's only down 5 points (193 to 188). Hard to say if that's random daily variation or because Dod
I actually have a thought on this.
Usually, Musk's commentary about The Next Big FSD Thing has been aspirational, not based completely on what it can do. The only excuse to this, such as any excuse might be, is that each major version of FSD has been better than what came before. But that's about it.
Maybe.. this time.. the people at Tesla are trying to make V12 a solid FSD. I don't think any sane person would go, "Robotaxi!" But perhaps an ADAS 2.0 sans bugs, or at least seriously minor bugs.
If they're doing that, they're possibly going the route of, "No release before its time." Especially if the word, "Beta" is going to be removed..
I know, I know: There's a dozen posters around here who are going to put the "laugh" emoji on this post, if they just don't ignore it. But.. maybe.
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sleepydoc
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Yea, could be the NTSC update with 11.4.9 for us Early Access while keeping us behind on 23 software so we can feel like "old times" and always behind for our 3ed year.
So we can get V12.3.x on 23 software in the 2ed qt while everyone else gets all the new updates.That's a thought, though the car that got Teslascope's attention was in the UK.Yea, could be the NTSC update with 11.4.9 for us Early Access while keeping us behind on 23 software so we can feel like "old times" and always behind for our 3ed year.
OxBrew
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My prediction: FSD won't be unsupervised until the AI driver becomes sentient.
knowing my luck V12 will arrive for our cars just as my FSD is switched to my new car.
Oh crap, I just thought that I'll probably lose the unproven "been testing FSDb since v10.2" tag. That would be a blow.
Oh crap, I just thought that I'll probably lose the unproven "been testing FSDb since v10.2" tag. That would be a blow.
According to federal stats, there are 4.2 million miles of roads in the US. FSD can drive on all of them. (I've skipped Canada.)
Waymo are geofenced to SF, Phoenix, LA and Austin. Let's be generous and assume they can drive anywhere in these cities. That's roughly 10,000 miles of roads that Waymo can drive.
So, FSD can drive on approx 400 times more roads then Waymo. Therefore FSD is 400x as good!! Of course, this is absurd, but it's no less absurd than your silly "Waymo is 10x or 2000x better" exclamations based on nothing but made-up nonsense.
And anytime anyone backs up an argument just with "this is self evident" you know to examine the argument VERY carefully:
-- Cameras, perception, object and gesture detection. These are simply means to an end. What counts isnt how many gizmos are gathering data or how many pixels you have. That's just specmanship. What counts is the end result. Can the car drive safely and predictably? Therefore this argument has zero relevance.
-- Planner Same argument as previous. I dont care if the planner uses goblins, as long as it works correctly.
-- Safety record. Provide statistics: crashes categorized by severity, miles driven daily etc. You do realize that ANY Tesla crash that MIGHT involve FSD is jumped on by the press, right? Where are they? How many are there compared to FSD miles driven?
-- Actual performance. Waymo drives well in the small number of locations it can drive. Tesla drives pretty well anywhere, though not (yet) as well as Waymo. Not clear how you argue Waymo is "better" based on this (see above).
-- Waymo was driving 10-15 years ago. So what? I've been walking for decades, my son for 12 years, yet he's every bit as good at it as me (better, in some ways).
Waymo provide an interesting service, though their business model is risky (and Alphabet a brooding parent at best), and I've nothing against them or their approach, but jumping up and down claiming its wonderful and FSD is garbage is just plain silly.
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sleepydoc
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Because I’m inpatient Doc.
sleepydoc
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If you’re inpatient you can’t drive anyway, at least not until you’re discharged to outpatient status!
If these automatic/API release notes for 2023.44.30.14 are accurate, looks like Tesla specially cherry-picked the fix for "Over-the-Air Recall: Telltale Text Size." This should be good news for preparing 12.x wider release to customers on 2023.44.30.x while providing the recall remedy to FSD Beta audience without the presumably larger effort to get 12.x merged to 2024.x software.
It does seem like the two tracks of software update pattern from before, but I would very much prefer 12.x over the current 2024.x changes.
