Ford EVs by 2012

[Louis S. Parkin]

After some quick searching, the only thing I could find on the Net about the Ford EV was this:

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/...ctric-car.html

Was I sleeping or is Teg right that the only thing Ford brought with it to Detroit were those fancy charts?

That was some quick research as we can tell.

 

[dpeilow]

Microsoft: Hohm On The Range Anxiety | The Truth About Cars

 

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Microsoft: Hohm On The Range Anxiety | The Truth About Cars

So they need Microsoft to do what Nissan and Tesla already do? Forget that. It's a timer. A 2 dollar watch does that.

 

[TEG]

Ford Fusion hybrid dashboard:

 

[samcarney]

Ford Fusion hybrid dashboard:

Why is the long term MPG only at 37.0? I'm somewhat of a leadfoot and my Fusion Hybrid gets 41+ long term MPG.http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

 

[dpeilow]

Bill Ford Sounds EV Retreat | The Truth About Cars

 

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Ford preparing for a jolt to the car market - The Globe and Mail

 

[TEG]

http://ipu.msu.edu/programs/MIGrid2011/presentations/pdfs/Tinskey%20-%20Lunch.pdf

 

[doug]

The last few posts seemed more relevant here.

 

[TEG]

Overpriced?
Ford Opens Ordering for Electric Focus - Drivers Seat - WSJ

...Ford says its all-electric Focus will start at $39,995...

 

[stopcrazypp]

Overpriced?
Ford Opens Ordering for Electric Focus - Drivers Seat - WSJ

Bleh. Kind of expected it given it was a conversion vs. Nissan's all-in effort with the Leaf. I wonder if they fixed the trunk space problem? If not, I can't see it selling that well.

 

[Robert.Boston]

I noticed that there's no clear "XX miles per charge" statement on the website. One can infer it from the various gauges shown and the 23kWh battery.

It appeared that the trunk space problem has gotten worse, as they've stolen a chunk of it for the battery pack.

 

[NigelM]

I noticed that there's no clear "XX miles per charge" statement on the website.

I couldn't find any indication of range anywhere on the website. Indicators on other websites are 100 miles max range and the fact Ford doesn't mention it probably means it's not something they're proud of. I did the design and build and came out to $41,385. That's pretty high with limited options and max 100 mile range....The basic Model S will look pretty attractive in comparison.

 

[AnOutsider]

I thought I'd missed it somewhere. It's possible they're saving it for some big reveal, but unlikely IMO.

 

[Mycroft]

Ford knows it sucks. They're only bringing it to market to justify the nearly $6B in government loans. And people whine about the few hundred million Tesla borrowed.

 

[efusco]

Ford knows it sucks. They're only bringing it to market to justify the nearly $6B in government loans. And people whine about the few hundred million Tesla borrowed.

That and to help meet the CAFE standards.

 

[PopSmith]

That's pretty high with limited options and max 100 mile range....The basic Model S will look pretty attractive in comparison.

My thoughts exactly.

When the Focus EV was announced I thought it would be closer to the Leaf's price point; especially since the range is probably similar. Before any taxes (so no credits) a base Focus EV is $39,995. On an auto loan at 2.99% for 60 months with no money down it would cost $718.48/month.

For price comparisons, a base Model S is $57,400 (again, before any taxes or credits). On a 60 month loan at 2.99% the monthly payment would be: $1,031.15. Remember that the Focus EV has no trunk (or frunk, AFAIK) which means the Model S has much more usability (and it goes 60% further on a charge)...

 

[Doug_G]

That and to help meet the CAFE standards.

I'm certain that's the only reason most of these companies are building EVs at all. I think that goes for Toyota's RAV4EV too... unfortunately.

It seems only Nissan "gets it", and even then I wish they'd aim a little higher.

 

[Robert.Boston]

But an EV won't help attain the CAFE standard unless they actually sell enough volume. So I'm surprised that they aren't putting a lower price-point on these EVs. I'm sure that Ford's bean-counters won't tolerate selling a vehicle at a loss, even if it allows Ford to sell more high-margin vehicles and still stay within the CAFE requirements.

 

[Doug_G]

But an EV won't help attain the CAFE standard unless they actually sell enough volume. So I'm surprised that they aren't putting a lower price-point on these EVs. I'm sure that Ford's bean-counters won't tolerate selling a vehicle at a loss, even if it allows Ford to sell more high-margin vehicles and still stay within the CAFE requirements.

You think they want to actually sell them? Nah, they will offer them for sale, and then complain, "See? Nobody wants them. You need to repeal that regulation!". Same as last time...