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First bit of snow this morning...
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No, the car is terrible in the snow, I don't believe in the few situations to which I was referring, winter tyres would make any difference. My opinion and I have over 30 years of driving behind me to base this on.
wow, just wow, what are you smoking? You think I am dense on the old throttle control and complaining of wheel spin, the back end moving or something, really...
Son, I've driven a lot of old school performance cars and having owned and driven a hi boost Turbo Capri back in the day, both with and without a LSD, if you are old enough to know, then you will know. I also own an E34 M5 so I think I might just know what I'm talking about, just a little and nether of these had winter tyres as it happens.
In my opinion, the Tesla is bad, disappointingly bad.
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One thing no one has pointed out is a M3 LR weighs just under 2 ton and that’s with no passengers or cargo. I presume everyone above is comparing against a lighter ICE car. Trying to get 2+ ton up or go down an icy or snowy slope is never going to be easy!
I'm flattered you called me "Son" for a man in his late 60s.
I do agree some cars are very difficult in the snow and i have always alternated between large luxury cars and sports cars. My last car prior to the Tesla was the Focus RS mk3, 4 wheel drive and 385BHP and that car with the same tyres as the Tesla drove better than i anticipated, so far this winter I haven't had any snow to drive on - well we did have an inch but it wasn't particularly an issue. I'm looking forward to some snow as i always take the car for a drive so i can get a feel in snow/ice before i attempt a proper journey.
My comment about the ADI was a suggestion not a sleight on you or your driving prowess, I don't know you and don't know your level of skill, some people may drive for 50 years and never develop a synergy with a car or be a good driver, its not about time of driving its about what you learn. My wife for instance hasn't a clue with a good driving style, cant park properly, reverse is a complete mystery and travelling as a passenger is uncomfortable as its either brake or accelerator pedal pressed - and i can never convince her there is another way.
I do agree some cars are very difficult in the snow and i have always alternated between large luxury cars and sports cars. My last car prior to the Tesla was the Focus RS mk3, 4 wheel drive and 385BHP and that car with the same tyres as the Tesla drove better than i anticipated, so far this winter I haven't had any snow to drive on - well we did have an inch but it wasn't particularly an issue. I'm looking forward to some snow as i always take the car for a drive so i can get a feel in snow/ice before i attempt a proper journey.
My comment about the ADI was a suggestion not a sleight on you or your driving prowess, I don't know you and don't know your level of skill, some people may drive for 50 years and never develop a synergy with a car or be a good driver, its not about time of driving its about what you learn. My wife for instance hasn't a clue with a good driving style, cant park properly, reverse is a complete mystery and travelling as a passenger is uncomfortable as its either brake or accelerator pedal pressed - and i can never convince her there is another way.
In addition to other measures, “Chill” mode on the accelerator makes it easier to control torque in slippery conditions.
I agree - Slip mode is counter-productive in snow. Any slippage between tire and roadway converts the snow beneath the tire into polished ice. Spin the tire, the ice will be lubricated with a thin layer of water.
Also, expecting summer tires to get you through winter is like expecting your pet cat to play “fetch” - that’s simply NOT what they do.
Both our S and 3 are AWD on all-season tires. One winter I had to travel snowy, hilly back roads in an RWD S 85 loaner in order to retrieve my wife’s 3 Stealth Performance from the Service Center. In Chill mode, with a feather touch on the accelerator, the loaner was a hero!
A bit of rear-end squirm warned when to moderate acceleration/deceleration. That car climbed hills where FWD cars were stuck at the bottom or at the side. I even climbed a hill that had defeated my SAAB 9-5 wagon in an earlier winter.
I agree - Slip mode is counter-productive in snow. Any slippage between tire and roadway converts the snow beneath the tire into polished ice. Spin the tire, the ice will be lubricated with a thin layer of water.
Also, expecting summer tires to get you through winter is like expecting your pet cat to play “fetch” - that’s simply NOT what they do.
Both our S and 3 are AWD on all-season tires. One winter I had to travel snowy, hilly back roads in an RWD S 85 loaner in order to retrieve my wife’s 3 Stealth Performance from the Service Center. In Chill mode, with a feather touch on the accelerator, the loaner was a hero!
A bit of rear-end squirm warned when to moderate acceleration/deceleration. That car climbed hills where FWD cars were stuck at the bottom or at the side. I even climbed a hill that had defeated my SAAB 9-5 wagon in an earlier winter.
Michelin Crossclimate 2 are the best all-season option available for the M3. Not going to be great in snow though compared to proper winter tyres.
Yes, they won't be as good as a full winter tyre in snow but testing appears to show that they are much nearer the winter in snow performance than they are to a standard tyre. Anyone coming from a standard tyre will be likely to see a big difference.
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