Firmware 7.0 - For Classic Model S

[russman]

Actually, I refer to the tie pressure on my TL quite a lot and have realized that I disregard it when I don't have it, but that also tells me that my wife drives with dangerously low tire pressure when there isn't TPMS to tell her that it's low.

So knowing that, I think having that information is important.

Could I PLEASE ask for a little time out for a reality check, please? Pretty please?

To all:

1. Please think about how many times you have been in your automobile and had the TPMS light engage.

2. Now please think of all those times, and think about how onerous it has been to check not one, but four, tires for air pressure.

3. Now please think about how that compares to all the time and angst regarding same that has been expended on this thread. In just three days! How do they compare?

 

[TexasEV]

Could I PLEASE ask for a little time out for a reality check, please? Pretty please?

To all:

1. Please think about how many times you have been in your automobile and had the TPMS light engage.

2. Now please think of all those times, and think about how onerous it has been to check not one, but four, tires for air pressure.

3. Now please think about how that compares to all the time and angst regarding same that has been expended on this thread. In just three days! How do they compare?

Not only that, but if one tire is low, wouldn't you check all the others anyway?

 

[smsprague]

Could I PLEASE ask for a little time out for a reality check, please? Pretty please?

To all:

1. Please think about how many times you have been in your automobile and had the TPMS light engage.

2. Now please think of all those times, and think about how onerous it has been to check not one, but four, tires for air pressure.

3. Now please think about how that compares to all the time and angst regarding same that has been expended on this thread. In just three days! How do they compare?

I use my individual tire pressure display on my 2009 Acura almost every time I drive it.

 

[kort677]

Could I PLEASE ask for a little time out for a reality check, please? Pretty please?

To all:

1. Please think about how many times you have been in your automobile and had the TPMS light engage.

2. Now please think of all those times, and think about how onerous it has been to check not one, but four, tires for air pressure.

3. Now please think about how that compares to all the time and angst regarding same that has been expended on this thread. In just three days! How do they compare?

here's a reality check, many, many lesser cars out there have TPMS systems. J/S

 

[tomas]

Could I PLEASE ask for a little time out for a reality check, please? Pretty please?

To all:

1. Please think about how many times you have been in your automobile and had the TPMS light engage.

2. Now please think of all those times, and think about how onerous it has been to check not one, but four, tires for air pressure.

3. Now please think about how that compares to all the time and angst regarding same that has been expended on this thread. In just three days! How do they compare?

^ This. In reality, you should top up pressure often enough that you never get a warning until "pop"... then it will be obvious which one! TPMS warnings kick in at ~20% low, and you don't want to run a car this heavy on under inflated tires.

 

[AmpedRealtor]

And maybe it's that big mileage of 41000 staring me in the face subliminally put me over the edge

41,000 is a lot of miles? LOL

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Could I PLEASE ask for a little time out for a reality check, please? Pretty please?

To all:

1. Please think about how many times you have been in your automobile and had the TPMS light engage.

2. Now please think of all those times, and think about how onerous it has been to check not one, but four, tires for air pressure.

3. Now please think about how that compares to all the time and angst regarding same that has been expended on this thread. In just three days! How do they compare?

The point is that this is indicative that Tesla has no desire to support older vehicles if it involves doing more coding than necessary for newer vehicles. TPMS could absolutely have been given to us, along with a system to associate each TPMS readout with individual wheel locations. That's how the FOBO sensors work, you teach it where the tires are on the car. Once programmed, it only becomes an issue after a tire rotation. Fine. Give us a button that says "Tire rotation" that will move the locations for us automatically, or give us a list and let us assign the locations manually until the next rotation. Easy. But no love.

 

[swegman]

The tire position association could also be added to the Tesla phone app, ala the way Fobo does it.

 

[cgiGuy]

This was my hunch. Someone suggested they changed the charging icon to the lightening bolt to save on CPU cycles. I was like really you gotta be kidding.

That someone was me. And no, I didn't say "changing the lightening bolt to save on CPU cycles" I said, "I'd much rather simplify the things that don't really "need" to be dynamic to save clock cycles for the things that do." Those things being ALL the things... so by simplifying ALL of the dynamic items, maybe they can shift resources so that I don't have to wait 3 seconds for the Controls screen to come up.

 

[AudubonB]

No, the point is that it is too much information. As another poster chimed in, when you get one monitor to declare a tire low, the natural response is to check ALL tires.

Hands up all of you who know the reason these monitors became mandatory for vehicles....and thus why it is an especial giggle to hear a bunch of EV owners, of all people, whinging about this gadgetry not being so zippity-cool as those extant in some lesser automobiles.

MY final word is that Tesla has far, far more important items on their agenda. But I am bowing out of this conversation now. See you all in two weeks.

 

[Duckjybe]

After using the car for the last couple of days overall I like the new UI. The graphics seem higher resolution on the 17" especially for the Media app which is nice. The music volume seems higher. Its nice to see the additional file information on the Media app while playing the music. I love the nav display and the new real estate it uses at the top on the IC.

I do have some suggestions for improvements.

Yesterday when the outside temperature was warmer the heating seemed lax and the fan would not come up even when I turned the temperature up to 30 C. This morning it was almost freezing and the heat seemed fine. We will have to monitor this to see if there is a bug.

I like the car icon in the middle as I like knowing when my brake lights are turning on when using regenerative braking.

I would like the battery meter and the odometer swapped. I look at the range meter way more than the odometer reading and having to look down and left takes my eyes off the road more than just looking down. The odometer font is too big as well, partly because I now have 6 digits!

Having the gear indicator to the right of the IC can be an issue as it is obstructed when you are parked or on a hill with steering turned to the left. When I put the car in D a could not see the indicator as it was covered by the steering wheel. Until now, I didn't realize I actually watch for the gear indicator change, if only peripherally, every time I start.

The numbers on the scale of the speedo/power meter seem to be a little too grey which makes them harder to see.

I think it would be nice to have the date and time in one spot.

The top line of the 17" looks like it needs a different shade or line below it to separate it from the app icons.

The favourites heart needs a bigger difference than the add favourites button.

Remove 0 in front of the AM time.

Again overall I like the new look though.

Ideally, and maybe this is where Tesla software is heading, more customization would help alleviate some of the angst over the console changes in the future.

 

[HankLloydRight]

My 2002 BMW M5 has a tire monitoring system, but doesn't have in-tire TPMS units. It sense a low-pressure situation by measuring the subtle differences in tire rotation using the ABS system. There's no feasible reason Tesla couldn't do this same thing to identify which tire is low, and then use the TPMS system to tell you how much it's low. I believe this type of system wouldn't detect if two opposing (l/r) tires are losing air at the same rate, since the differential would be 0. But I don't believe that happens to often. At a minimum, a hybrid system like this is better than no position indication at all.

 

[4SUPER9]

After using the car for the last couple of days overall I like the new UI. The graphics seem higher resolution on the 17" especially for the Media app which is nice. The music volume seems higher. Its nice to see the additional file information on the Media app while playing the music. I love the nav display and the new real estate it uses at the top on the IC.

I do have some suggestions for improvements.

Yesterday when the outside temperature was warmer the heating seemed lax and the fan would not come up even when I turned the temperature up to 30 C. This morning it was almost freezing and the heat seemed fine. We will have to monitor this to see if there is a bug.

I like the car icon in the middle as I like knowing when my brake lights are turning on when using regenerative braking.

I would like the battery meter and the odometer swapped. I look at the range meter way more than the odometer reading and having to look down and left takes my eyes off the road more than just looking down. The odometer font is too big as well, partly because I now have 6 digits!

Having the gear indicator to the right of the IC can be an issue as it is obstructed when you are parked or on a hill with steering turned to the left. When I put the car in D a could not see the indicator as it was covered by the steering wheel. Until now, I didn't realize I actually watch for the gear indicator change, if only peripherally, every time I start.

The numbers on the scale of the speedo/power meter seem to be a little too grey which makes them harder to see.

I think it would be nice to have the date and time in one spot.

The top line of the 17" looks like it needs a different shade or line below it to separate it from the app icons.

The favourites heart needs a bigger difference than the add favourites button.

Remove 0 in front of the AM time.

Again overall I like the new look though.

Ideally, and maybe this is where Tesla software is heading, more customization would help alleviate some of the angst over the console changes in the future.

I am confused. Overall, you like the new UI, except for:

1. The battery and odometer should be swapped
2. The odometer font is too big
3. The gear indicator placement is wrong
4. You have a hard time seeing the speedometer and power meter
5. You want the date and time to be kept in a different place.
6. The top line of the 17" screen should be changed
7. It is hard to tell the favorites from the add-favorites button
8. The clock time displays differently than you like.

Yep, everything seems hunky-dory. At least you get to see your brake lights. Glad you are happy with it.

 

[dirkhh]

If baffles me that people think the move from skeuomorphic to flat design had anything to do with performance. If anything, the new AP "video-game" interface seems to be a lot more complex and GPU intensive than drawing some static textures and shadows in 6.2, and the hardware is still fully capable of that.

Hank - I have hard data on comparable gpus that actually proves that point. Flat is easier on the GPU. Not something I can share here, but this is something that we measured extensively where I work...

 

[JonathanD]

UI update is fine, not sure all bits were improvement, per say, but with a bit of use it will seem normal enough. Only gripe would be that they still made the garage door opener button on the drop down too close to the settings button right below it.

 

[jcaspar]

Every one of these "raving reviews" makes me keep pushing the little x!

I am confused. Overall, you like the new UI, except for:

1. The battery and odometer should be swapped
2. The odometer font is too big
3. The gear indicator placement is wrong
4. You have a hard time seeing the speedometer and power meter
5. You want the date and time to be kept in a different place.
6. The top line of the 17" screen should be changed
7. It is hard to tell the favorites from the add-favorites button
8. The clock time displays differently than you like.

Yep, everything seems hunky-dory. At least you get to see your brake lights. Glad you are happy with it.

 

[HankLloydRight]

Hank - I have hard data on comparable gpus that actually proves that point. Flat is easier on the GPU. Not something I can share here, but this is something that we measured extensively where I work...

I'm not debating that flat is easier on the GPU...that's a pretty wide blanket statement which I can't argue. What I'm questioning here is that are the non-flat components of the UI taxing the GPU so much that moving to a flat design was the driving factor? That's what I have the most issue with. There's so little going on on the IC display that flat design or not, the driving force to move to a flat UI clearly was because it's "new, modern look" and because it's the latest Kool-aide for all of Silicon Valley to drink (thanks, Jonny Ives). I don't ever see the IC UI showing any signs of hitting GPU resource limits. No stutters, no artifacting, no blanking, no frame skips. It seems perfectly capable of handing the old UI, so I don't see how "going flat" is going to have a measurable or significant effect on GPU performance in this case.

 

[tomas]

Every one of these "raving reviews" makes me keep pushing the little x!

It is futile to do this. New software releases are fact of life. If you keep rejecting, eventually you'll be updated at service visit or you'll become unsupported. its not that bad, we just have a lot of change averse people here, which I find weird since they are also early adopters.

 

[OddB]

This is the end of the line...

A reality check :
Tesla is a forward moving company.
Tesla thrieves on earthmoving innovations.
Tesla has limited resources

I realize now that we with "classic" cars is not the main focus for Tesla anymore..
I have been waiting patiently since 5.8 for a usable userinterface for my DAB-radio and for waypoints and alternate routes in the nav.
These obvious omissions of basic functionality should have been taken care of a long time ago, but Tesla skips these "boring" features and goes full in for autopilot.

The reason for the look of the IC for non-AP cars is obvious. They spent most of the development time on the AP- version of the UI. Then they realized that that wouldnt be very useful for us without AP and put the "old" speedometer circle back in place. To minimize the differences they kept the placement of the battery- and gear icons leaving a hole in the circle... Why not put a small "toy car" there as a consolation for the poor guys that didnt get the AP ..

Thank you for all the good information in this thread. I have decided that 6.2 will be my final SW version until (hopefully) Tesla takes the time do do the job properly and correct all their "old sins"

Why not let the classics be classics ?

 

[dirkhh]

I'm not debating that flat is easier on the GPU...that's a pretty wide blanket statement which I can't argue. What I'm questioning here is that are the non-flat components of the UI taxing the GPU so much that moving to a flat design was the driving factor? That's what I have the most issue with. There's so little going on on the IC display that flat design or not, the driving force to move to a flat UI clearly was because it's "new, modern look" and because it's the latest Kool-aide for all of Silicon Valley to drink (thanks, Jonny Ives). I don't ever see the IC UI showing any signs of hitting GPU resource limits. No stutters, no artifacting, no blanking, no frame skips. It seems perfectly capable of handing the old UI, so I don't see how "going flat" is going to have a measurable or significant effect on GPU performance in this case.

I don't have data for this specific UI. I have (proprietary, sorry) data for a different car UI, also Qt based (just like Tesla's) where moving to a flat UI reduced peak gpu load by 30% and allowed to increase frame rate by 25%.
Do I know that this is why they made the change? Heck no. Do I think it's plausible that it played into the decision? Sure. Do I think it's possible that Elon saw what the design intern did a year ago, said "sure, looks good" and no one dared to question that and they went with flat regardless of anything else? Yeah, I actually think that's more likely overall - because there's no way the current UI made it through an actual data driven review process. No one will convince me that a group of human interaction specialists saw this and said "yep, we're going with this". Or that anyone with any design background whatsoever saw that clock and said "awesome, approved for the production build".
So yes, likely you are right. GPU performance really wasn't the reason. :-(

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It is futile to do this. New software releases are fact of life. If you keep rejecting, eventually you'll be updated at service visit or you'll become unsupported. its not that bad, we just have a lot of change averse people here, which I find weird since they are also early adopters.

We'll find out what comes first. Tesla fixing the most glaring issues with the UI, or Tesla forcing me to upgrade.
(or, of course, me being assimilated and talking myself into believing that the current UI is a step forward...)

 

[tomas]

C'mon in, dirk. The water's fine. I like the improvements. And I'd rather provide further input to tesla as a 7.0 user than a rejector.