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Firmware 7.0 Beta Discussion
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SeminoleFSU
Voluntaryist
I think the biggest loss as others have stated is the real-time power on the speedo. Someone else mentioned this, but losing the real-time power might mean you also lose the yellow bars that tell you the regen is deadened when the pack is very cold or full. Not knowing that regenerative stopping power is missing or degraded can surprise you and cause you to overshoot a stop, potentially meaning you end up in the middle of an intersection or worse in the back of someone or right over/thru something living on the roadway. I would be shocked if they didn't convey this info somehow, even if it is just an icon or alert in the form of words. But I highly doubt it will be as intuitive as the current power meter. Let's hope there's an option to disable the car emoticon and bring back the normal speedo with power esp for those without the autopilot :-/
mspohr
Well-Known Member
What's wrong with "that driving style"?
There are lots of times when it is appropriate to slow down and the brake lights warm drivers behind that you are slowing. Much rather have the lights than get rear ended.
SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
It could be indicated by the actual Regen Bar going from Orange to Red. Takes up no more room as you're using the same analog sweepy arc thing.
You are right, you don't need a whole carmoji (vemoji? Autoji? Teslarva?) to show when the rear lights go on.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
It's exactly this extreme, black/white attitude towards skeuomorphism that bothers me. If you go back, I said I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.
The entire top row of indicator lights on the instrument panel are idiot lights. If a new brake light indicator is on the back of the toy car graphic, or it's in the top row of indicator lights, ITS STILL AN IDIOT LIGHT!
HankLloydRight
No Roads
SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Firmware 7.0
Maybe not an alarming red though. Mild Pomegranate? ;-)
EDIT: I'm an idiot before coffee.
Of course Regen is green, not orange.
Now the 'brilliant idea' would be:
Discharge: Orange (like it is now in V.6)
Regen: Green (like now)
Regen w/brake_lights: Green with an outer 1mm rim of red.
Maybe not an alarming red though. Mild Pomegranate? ;-)
EDIT: I'm an idiot before coffee.
Of course Regen is green, not orange.
Now the 'brilliant idea' would be:
Discharge: Orange (like it is now in V.6)
Regen: Green (like now)
Regen w/brake_lights: Green with an outer 1mm rim of red.
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This whole problem could be solved easily. Give us two option for the centre screen,
1- With toy car, without power meter.
2- Without toy car, with power meter.
In addition the option to keep the old style bottom "toolbar" with lock, odometer, temp, date and time.
The only time Tesla has implemented a function after "public outcry" is as far as I can remember is the "creep"-button.
1- With toy car, without power meter.
2- Without toy car, with power meter.
In addition the option to keep the old style bottom "toolbar" with lock, odometer, temp, date and time.
The only time Tesla has implemented a function after "public outcry" is as far as I can remember is the "creep"-button.
bollar
Disgruntled Member
If the car is slowing down, then the brake lights should come on. I get that.
But there are instances I see everyday, where that's not what's happening. For example, I'm often in highway traffic that's going fast, but not at a constant speed. Out of the hundreds of cars on that stretch of road, the sole cars with brakes coming on briefly and regularly are the Teslas in front of me. (And the occasional extreme tailgater)
My belief is that many (most?) Tesla drivers are not proficient one-foot drivers and they are unaware exactly how often their driving style lights the brakes and causes unnecessary concern for the cars behind.
IMO, a training aid is needed. The only way to see brake illumination from inside the car today is from the charging screen, which isn't safe to review while driving. So, only half in jest, I suggest a brake "idiot light" on the dash for the first 500 miles driven in each new driver profile.
NigelM
Recovering Member
I just find it odd that we have outcrying at all when none* of us have personally seen it yet, let alone actually driven with it.
*The 2-3 folks that have seen it in person seem to all be saying it's nice and simple.
P.S. Hopefully all the comments don't lead to a delay of the general release.
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Hmm. I thought the non-skeuomorphism designs looked childish--something that you would give a five year old. I'd agree with doing half and half so that buttons look like buttons, etc. wouldn't be bad. However, removing the information (in particular the power metre) that I use all the time and regulating it to a secondary spot is just plain awful.
What difference does it make between seeing the 20+ pictures posted here and seeing it with your own eyes ?
Either the power meter is there or it isnt.
Not an effective solution for the approximately 8% of the male population that is red/green color blind to varying degrees. I have difficulty distinguishing between orange and red unless the colors cover large areas and are in full sunlight, exactly the opposite of the situation of an LCD screen with a shade over it.
JOEV1
*****joe
How about Temperatures, as in the Roadster. (Battery, PEM, Motors in a sub-menu)
Often I wonder about it in extremer climatic condition and if I can / should adapt my driving accordingly.
Disagree. We've seen pics, and our concerns are quite rational based on the pics we've seen.
To the extent that Tesla needs time to fix these errors, I certainly do hope it leads to a delay in the general release.
SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Firmware 7.0
... so the 8% would be no worse off than they are now. Now (V.6) we have no brake light indicators at all unless the Charging applet is overlaid on the main screen - not a good full-time layout if you want to use a map, radio, etc.
Finally!! The first hint that Tesla will be upgrading our Classic MS's with proximity sensors to go with the 'Toy Car' display!
Knobby
Member
Yech! I hate it. What's with the white-on-black flat boring look these days? Its a color screen... use it. Actually same thing with the products I work on (I do EE design). The UX designers come back with this boring flat, monochrome UI. Why do I put in an expensive color display then?
I really really like the IC display as it is now. I loved the blue orange and green indicators for speed and energy consumption. Those indicators looked so cool curving up the dial, with their trailing color. And the orange & green coordinated with the energy graph. In fact when I test drove the car in Vancouver in summer 2013, that's one of the things that really struck me.
Blah. boring flat look. Why? Just because Apple did it, or Google?
Oh and if I have to have that stupid car image at the bottom of the IC in my non-AP car (now that's 5 year old appropriate UI), I'll scream. oh maybe I'm 5 years old hah :redface:
I really really like the IC display as it is now. I loved the blue orange and green indicators for speed and energy consumption. Those indicators looked so cool curving up the dial, with their trailing color. And the orange & green coordinated with the energy graph. In fact when I test drove the car in Vancouver in summer 2013, that's one of the things that really struck me.
Blah. boring flat look. Why? Just because Apple did it, or Google?
Oh and if I have to have that stupid car image at the bottom of the IC in my non-AP car (now that's 5 year old appropriate UI), I'll scream. oh maybe I'm 5 years old hah :redface:
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boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Would someone with autopilot hardware and V7 update please let us all know if anything new was actually enable? Lane keeping etc..
Cant seem to find the temp or date in the photos posted by OP. Also, range bar is not as granular as it is in 6.2. I consider this loss of functionality.
Yeah, just catching up on this thread and was wondering the same thing. Guess they got pulled.
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