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Many semi trucks have an air deflector to improve economy. That feature may have made the difference in this situation.

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I know the Electrek article says the accident happened yesterday but Tesla's blog says they were informed of the investigation yesterday. I wonder if the accident was recent or really happened weeks or months ago.

From Tesla's blog, they state:
He was a friend to Tesla and the broader EV community, a person who spent his life focused on innovation and the promise of technology and who believed strongly in Tesla’s mission.
I'm wondering if he could've been one of the TMC regulars that we've all chatted with over the years. :(
 
tractor-trailer rig made a left turn in front of the Tesla at an intersection of a divided highway where there was no traffic light

"at fault" was the driver of the semi, crossing a hiway when unsafe to do so, plain and simple

not AP

not the car driver

If this causes Tesla stock to "go on sale", it's a good day, buy more!

I'm wondering if the value of my non-AP car just got held up a little more?
 
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From Tesla's blog post, quote:

"What we know is that the vehicle was on a divided highway with Autopilot engaged when a tractor trailer drove across the highway perpendicular to the Model S. Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer impacting the windshield of the Model S. "

Horrible accident where apparently both the Tesla driver and the AP system failed to detect the cross traffic vehicle, and the truck driver likely failed to see the Tesla as well.

AP does not have long range sensors for detecting distant (over 16 ft) oncoming traffic at right angles to the direction of travel.
 
Yes, unfortunately this is going to get a lot of press, but in some ways it was inevitable that something like this would happen. It is a reminder than any system, however well engineered, will eventually fail (though probably less often than a human driver without AP).
Very sad. The system was designed with the driver being in full control at all times. I wouldn't call it a system failure.
 
The important question here, which can never be answered properly, is: Did the use of AP in this instance make the driver less attentive than he would otherwise have been thus facilitating the accident, or in other words would the Tesla driver have crashed in to/under the semi had he not been using AP assistance?
 
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The important question here, which can never be answered properly, is: Did the use of AP in this instance make the driver less attentive than he would otherwise have been thus facilitating the accident, or in other words would the Tesla driver have crashed in to/under the semi had he not been using AP assistance?
I am sure a lawyer will make that argument on behalf of the family.
 
I am sure a lawyer will make that argument on behalf of the family.

Well perhaps it's a good thing to have that happen, have it tried in court, dismissed and there's the start of legal precedence when it comes to assistance features. Tesla's disclaimer, as referenced in the blog post, speaks for itself.
 
first of all, condolences to the family of the driver.

the question i have is the timing of the crossing. did the semi just decide to go without waiting for traffic? was it a legal turn?

given that it went under the trailer it may have had already good enough time to cross the road. someone could probably do the math to see if any reasonable person would have reacted sooner & how much time they would have. (off the top of my head, if you're paying attention you would see it assuming a flat road with no elevation changes, though it may take a while for you to register in your mind, and if you're distracted a little bit...)

i think tesla is posting this because they wish their system could have done better and they wanted to be transparent. but others are going to spin this as "omg teslas literally wants to murder you" (like on the level of the exploding air bags).
 
From The Verge: "The accident occurred May 7th in Williston, Florida with 45-year-old Ohio resident Joshua Brown driving. The truck driver was not injured."

Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

More info here:

In a separate crash on May 7 at 3:40 p.m. on U.S. 27 near the BP Station west of Williston, a 45-year-old Ohio man was killed when he drove under the trailer of an 18-wheel semi.
The top of Joshua Brown’s 2015 Tesla Model S vehicle was torn off by the force of the collision. The truck driver, Frank Baressi, 62, Tampa was not injured in the crash.
The FHP said the tractor-trailer was traveling west on US 27A in the left turn lane toward 140th Court. Brown’s car was headed east in the outside lane of U.S. 27A.
When the truck made a left turn onto NE 140th Court in front of the car, the car’s roof struck the underside of the trailer as it passed under the trailer. The car continued to travel east on U.S. 27A until it left the roadway on the south shoulder and struck a fence. The car smashed through two fences and struck a power pole. The car rotated counter-clockwise while sliding to its final resting place about 100 feet south of the highway. Brown died at the scene.
Charges are pending.
 
Sad... :(

But we knew it would come...

1st Tesla Autopilot Fatality … After 130 Million Miles


1st Tesla Autopilot Fatality … After 130 Million Miles

It is very sad to find out from Tesla Motors that the first Tesla Autopilot fatality has been logged. It comes after 130 million miles, and Tesla noted in its press release that a fatality occurs, on average, every 94 million miles in the United States, and every 60 million miles worldwide.

That puts Tesla Autopilot in a good light, but it doesn’t really lighten the mood for me in such a sad case.

It should be highlighted as well, however, that the fatality resulted from a tractor trailer crossing a divided highway and ramming into the Model S.

Bob Wallace, who just notified me of the news, adds some useful commentary:

This is an avoidable….

The important point is, IMO, once a problem like this appears, systems can be redesigned to deal with the gap and that problem should never again appear. Can’t do that with human drivers.

He also noted a point we should definitely keep in mind here: “the event frequency is so low that it would take a huge amount of driving to determine which is best. One per 130/94 million miles is not enough data to allow a meaningful statement.”

The full Tesla press release is below.

A Tragic Loss
We learned yesterday evening that NHTSA is opening a preliminary evaluation into the performance of Autopilot during a recent fatal crash that occurred in a Model S. This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated. Among all vehicles in the US, there is a fatality every 94 million miles. Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million miles. It is important to emphasize that the NHTSA action is simply a preliminary evaluation to determine whether the system worked according to expectations.

Following our standard practice, Tesla informed NHTSA about the incident immediately after it occurred. What we know is that the vehicle was on a divided highway with Autopilot engaged when a tractor trailer drove across the highway perpendicular to the Model S. Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer impacting the windshield of the Model S. Had the Model S impacted the front or rear of the trailer, even at high speed, its advanced crash safety system would likely have prevented serious injury as it has in numerous other similar incidents.

It is important to note that Tesla disables Autopilot by default and requires explicit acknowledgement that the system is new technology and still in a public beta phase before it can be enabled. When drivers activate Autopilot, the acknowledgment box explains, among other things, that Autopilot “is an assist feature that requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times,” and that “you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle” while using it. Additionally, every time that Autopilot is engaged, the car reminds the driver to “Always keep your hands on the wheel. Be prepared to take over at any time.” The system also makes frequent checks to ensure that the driver’s hands remain on the wheel and provides visual and audible alerts if hands-on is not detected. It then gradually slows down the car until hands-on is detected again.

We do this to ensure that every time the feature is used, it is used as safely as possible. As more real-world miles accumulate and the software logic accounts for increasingly rare events, the probability of injury will keep decreasing. Autopilot is getting better all the time, but it is not perfect and still requires the driver to remain alert. Nonetheless, when used in conjunction with driver oversight, the data is unequivocal that Autopilot reduces driver workload and results in a statistically significant improvement in safety when compared to purely manual driving.

The customer who died in this crash had a loving family and we are beyond saddened by their loss. He was a friend to Tesla and the broader EV community, a person who spent his life focused on innovation and the promise of technology and who believed strongly in Tesla’s mission. We would like to extend our deepest sympathies to his family and friends.