Sorry, you are not discussing anything, and you didn't answer my question: how much are you paid by Ford?
Did you not read the second paragraph of what you quoted above? Weird, man. Just weird.
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Sorry, you are not discussing anything, and you didn't answer my question: how much are you paid by Ford?
CP360 re-engaging after a lane is nice. However, I do not like the fact that there is no visualization that shows what the car is seeing. That's putting too much trust is the system which can be risky.
It is a well established fact that you are paid by Ford. The question is: how much are you paid by Ford?Did you not read the second paragraph of what you quoted above? Weird, man. Just weird.
CP360 not slowing down when it approaches corners at high speed seems like a serious safety issue to me. I know Tesla is already testing the internal cam for driver monitoring. There is video of it in action. If it works well enough, it may actually allow for hands free driving as an option. We'll have to wait and see.
CP360 re-engaging after a lane is nice. However, I do not like the fact that there is no visualization that shows what the car is seeing. That's putting too much trust is the system which can be risky.
If what I've read from others and what I'm seeing in this is video is commonplace, I can't say this is superior to autopilot.
You - maybe. We, the Tesla owners, have passed the infancy.so - each system has its issues. We’re in the infancy of automated driving.
Driving a Tesla for any length of time gets you used to looking at both and screen and road when using autopilot. As the car approaches traffic that requires it to react in some way like slow down, or deal with merging traffic etc, that visualization is nice to have. With FSD in the city, even more so.That’s an interesting point. But really, how does a computer graphic on a screen give you more peace of mind than your own view of the road? Putting any trust in a system beyond your own view of the road is risky - if anything relying upon a screen enhances that risk.
Oh and CP360 re-engaging is super convenient and super obvious. This seems like a real whiff by Tesla. It’s odd, really, for a company that’s generally so good at the user experience.
The thing I don’t like about what Elon is doing with Tesla is removing the center screen (behind the wheel). I prefer the “dash” screen of the X - much more so of the single screen on the 3 or Y. Having information in your field of vision is much easier to manage than information that you need to scan your peripheral range to get. Some stuff should be HUD.Driving a Tesla for any length of time gets you used to looking at both and screen and road when using autopilot. As the car approaches traffic that requires it to react in some way like slow down, or deal with merging traffic etc, that visualization is nice to have. With FSD in the city, even more so.
As for Autopilot re-engaging after a lane change? I'm pretty sure they omitted that feature on purpose to push people toward FSD.
Looking two places at once when your eyes will do just fine doesn’t seem like an aid - it seems like a distraction. Now, there are times when your eyes don’t see stuff - like how quickly you are approaching a stopped vehicle - but that’s where features like automatic collision avoidance are useful. In that case, the car applies the breaks automatically, so again, the screen illustration isn’t what’s helping you. Nobody has demonstrated how the screen graphics enhance safety in a way that exceeds the potential distraction of taking eyes off the road.Driving a Tesla for any length of time gets you used to looking at both and screen and road when using autopilot. As the car approaches traffic that requires it to react in some way like slow down, or deal with merging traffic etc, that visualization is nice to have. With FSD in the city, even more so.
As for Autopilot re-engaging after a lane change? I'm pretty sure they omitted that feature on purpose to push people toward FSD.
I think you meant 4.1 mi/kWhJust a couple of days ago we went for a ride in the MME. We were on local roads with 40 - 45 mph speed limits and we got about 4.1 Wh/mi. My M3s get high 5‘s on those roads, so not even close
Yep, my mind got ahead of my fingers and I didn’t proofread. 4.1 mi/KWh.I think you meant 4.1 mi/kWh
It 'seems' like a distraction is a good way to put it. But it's no more a distraction than looking at a navigation map on the center screen. Do you stare at it to the point of running off the road or while you're making a left turn at a busy intersection? How distracted you are at the worst possible time is up to you. There are people that have crashed while changing the radio station.Looking two places at once when your eyes will do just fine doesn’t seem like an aid - it seems like a distraction. Now, there are times when your eyes don’t see stuff - like how quickly you are approaching a stopped vehicle - but that’s where features like automatic collision avoidance are useful. In that case, the car applies the breaks automatically, so again, the screen illustration isn’t what’s helping you. Nobody has demonstrated how the screen graphics enhance safety in a way that exceeds the potential distraction of taking eyes off the road.
As for the AP limitations being used to encourage people to plop down ten grand more, maybe. But damn that’s kinda crappy.
Good comparison.As an owner of 2019 and 2020 M3SR+, a close relative recently bought an MME. He wanted a Tesla, but his wife said she would never drive it because she didn’t like the “computer screen” - she insists on a traditional instrument cluster behind the steering wheel. When the MME came out he saw an opportunity to get an EV that was more like a traditional ICE car, and he grabbed one - I think it was called a California Route 1 or something similar - it’s rear-drive with the extended range battery (88 KWh). His wife still hates it, but not as vehemently as the M3. We sat in both cars together about 2 weeks ago and compared the UIs. There was no arguing that Tesla’s was the hands-down winner in terms of organization, intuitiveness, and responsiveness (MME’s menus are a little sluggish). The MME’s menu system is not very pleasant to use, and it really hurts the user experience, though that can be fixed with software updates, and I hope they do fix it soon, because it was painfully awful.
Just a couple of days ago we went for a ride in the MME. We were on local roads with 40 - 45 mph speed limits and we got about 4.1 Wh/mi. My M3s get high 5‘s on those roads, so not even close, but the MY and M3LR are probably closer than that. The MME’s big battery makes up some of the difference, placing the MME pretty close to the MY’s range. The MME’s acceleration is not as snappy as the M3, but they are both faster than anyone really needs, so I consider that irrelevant.
The interior looked nicer/more luxurious than the M3’s, though the seats were not as comfortable, despite their appearance. It was definitely quieter inside, though my M3s don’t have the dual-layer, sound-deadening glass. One thing I noticed was the whine of the MME’s motor was a LOT louder than the M3‘s during driving. Maybe it’s because the reduced road noise accentuates the motor sounds.
The one major problem I have with the MME is the appearance, though that’s subjective and a matter of taste. I really don’t like the appearance. And it appears huge, despite actually having less cargo space than the MY. it seems the charging is a bit on the slow side, too - I think my relative said 125 KW for DCFC. With an 88 KWh battery to fill, that would be a bit time-consuming.
Putting aside issues of styling and the awful menu system, which could be fixed OTA, I’d say MME is a pretty good entry. I wouldn‘t buy one because of the styling and size, but it’s much closer to Tesla than I expected from Ford. Well played, Ford.
Yeah to be clear, I don’t think the Tesla screen is a significant distraction. I just don’t think its rendering of things on the road is more beneficial than using your own eyes - certainly not beneficial enough to warrant taking your eyes off the road to look at what the car is seeing. Hope that makes more sense.It 'seems' like a distraction is a good way to put it. But it's no more a distraction than looking at a navigation map on the center screen. Do you stare at it to the point of running off the road or while you're making a left turn at a busy intersection? How distracted you are at the worst possible time is up to you. There are people that have crashed while changing the radio station.
Collision avoidance systems aren't very dependable. They may trigger too close to the obstacle, or worse, not at all. They're definitely nice to have, but shouldn't be depended upon. How useful the visualizations are is best demonstrated by the FSD videos on Youtube. If those don't convince you, well, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Regarding AP, it is crappy that they omitted that feature, however, is it a make or break? I think not. To me, CP360's lack of the safety features outlined in the video is worse.
He/She is simply repeating Ford's PR talking points. I wonder when AI bot will be able to do it and mimic human conversation.It 'seems' like a distraction is a good way to put it. But it's no more a distraction than looking at a navigation map on the center screen. Do you stare at it to the point of running off the road or while you're making a left turn at a busy intersection? How distracted you are at the worst possible time is up to you. There are people that have crashed while changing the radio station.
Collision avoidance systems aren't very dependable. They may trigger too close to the obstacle, or worse, not at all. They're definitely nice to have, but shouldn't be depended upon. How useful the visualizations are is best demonstrated by the FSD videos on Youtube. If those don't convince you, well, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Regarding AP, it is crappy that they omitted that feature, however, is it a make or break? I think not. To me, CP360's lack of the safety features outlined in the video is worse.
So just to be clear-Sure! But please be advised that you are engaging with a possible “troll” per the legal brief posted above LOL.
1. I think you’ll find the infotainment screen to be just a tad laggy as compared the MY.
2. There are a few software bugs with certain settings not being retained. Being told these will be fixed very soon by the first substantive update in a matter of days. I will report back.
3. Speaking of OTA updates, there haven’t been any substantive ones yet. The first two were supposedly “laying the groundwork” for subsequent substantive updates. Again, first one is supposed to be coming in a matter of days.
4. The driver’s instrument cluster may emit a slight buzz depending upon your build. This is supposedly being corrected but Ford initially sourced a poor quality screen.
5. FordPass is not a great app for charge management, although it has improved. I’m not sure how it compares to Tesla’s app.
6. As mentioned previously, the MME 4X (which I highly recommend) is not quite as quick, or efficient, as the MYLR - although I think you’ll find it to be a pretty irrelevant difference.
7. You have to push a Start button to turn the MME on, which isn’t really necessary.
8. The frunk can currently only be opened manually, although electronic opening is supposedly going to be enabled in the future. There are also dividers installed in the frunk due to some sort of regulatory requirement, but they are quite easy to remove.
9. You’ll find that the glass roof doesn’t extend quite as far forward as the MY, and the front vis is a bit narrower due the MME’s significantly longer hood. The MY is very stubby by comparison. (Conversely, you’ll find the rear viz better in the MME).
10. The “hand nanny” that nags you to keep a hand on the wheel during CoPilot driving is a tad too sensitive, in my opinion, sometimes beeping at me when I DO have a hand resting on the wheel. This will obviously be obviated by true hands free highway driving this fall (something Tesla does not have).
11. CCS isn’t quite as easy or widespread in the Midwest (where I live) as the supercharger network.
With the exception of the last point, this is all pretty minor stuff. I really hope you enjoy your test drive. And again, I HIGHLY recommend going with the AWD Extended range (aka “4X”).
So just to be clear-
The MME has a laggy UX currently. With the absence of larger powertrain differences would you think interacting with UX would be important in context? Can you address the organization of menus within the Ford system?
So at present there are software issues along with promises of remote front trunk opening, along with sparse OTA updates and no ‘handsfree driving’ at the moment correct? So in historial context, if Teslas FSD isn’t ever going to happen even if it’s evolved since it’s inception, can you please explain to me why you keep stating that Ford is going to actually increase OTA updates and the like, if you are applying both ‘value systems’ when judging both product offerings? Hopefully you can see how that is confusing in context. I’m not disagreeing with you, I’d just like information, because as of today, there seems to be a lot more question marks in three currently unavailable features in the Ford.
I’ve logged over 12K miles using both AP, EAP, and Super cruise. Can you explain to me why having a hand on the steering wheel vs having to look at the road (EAP vs SC) is ‘better’ from a driver ergonomic POV? I again, would love your experience in why one is better vs another.
As the approach of Tesla is that it’s a tech company first, the mobile app has been pretty stable by all accounts. I’m not sure if this has any value to you, but it’s probably not hard to see other customers being drawn to it, correct?
The other part of your evaluation which is interesting is your observation regarding charging on the road-I’ll find out this week, but by even the biggest fans of this product there seems to be some very well documented problems with charging with public chargers. I’d love to see the data on assisted driving usage vs charging usage to get a handle on what a Consumer would have a preference for-true handsfree driving or a seemingly seamless charging experience outside of your home, but again I think we can agree that that would take a bit more than a magazine review and a few people on an Internet forum to determine.
But finally I really think these products shouldn’t be compared. Ford hasn’t rated the Mach-e for towing capacity? The MY has a capacity of 3,000lbs. I can think of 4 articles that C/D has mentioned a large towing capacity between ICE SUV products in a comparison. I think regardless of outcome, you have to see the issues in the methodology of this particular test, no?