Joe F
Disruption is hard.
My guess: They're leaving different versions in the wild to compare against.
Goats and chickens need not be alarmed. Yet.
Goats and chickens need not be alarmed. Yet.
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Thanks for the information. It doesn't seem to be something they're currently offering, though it may be an invitation-only thing. EAP these days means Enhanced Auto Pilot, so it looks like Tesla may be facing a TLA shortage crisis. (26 cubed is only 17,576.)
Yep the first thing I noticed.
Although... I think its a good thing. I live in a very quiet neighborhood with very little cars on the side of the road and I tried Autosteer a few times (for entertainment reasons mostly) and it was dangerous around very very slight unmarked curves, the likes of which are common in neighborhoods.
I do wish Tesla was more transparent about the rollout process. I don't mind not getting it on the first day as long as I could look up when I'm estimated to get it.
However, its not a huge mystery. I recall at one point I think a couple years ago the update rollout UI was leaked (does anyone else remember that?). It allows cars to be targeted by pretty much any metric and supports a tiered rollout. I don't remember the details but I remembered those two things.
I've done a fair bit of release engineering before (though never for a physical device) and the practice they're doing here is super normal. A poster in the Model X forum said a "very reliable" source told him some details which while I can't claim to trust such a post the details claimed to have been said are very much in line with standard release engineering practices.
So disclaimer: I'm not saying this is how it works, but it would be very sensible and there is plenty of software precedent to suggest it works similarly to this.
You optionally select some metric that its important to partition on for releases. This may be as simple as "AP2 only" but could also be complex like "AP2 only + cold weather". Then, you select a rollout duration (to simplify things, there are probably more tunables), and go... maybe 500 people get it first day, 2000 3rd day, 10000 5th day, etc. It is probably mostly random who is in those buckets that qualifies for the metrics chosen.
Its annoying if you're not the chosen one but also very good because it prevents Tesla from being overwhelmed by buggy software, lowers risk to human life, etc. etc. You'll get it!
Pinot.Noir
Member
OBX John
Autonomous Driving Enthusiast
You better watch out, you better not cry
Better not pout, I'm telling you why
Elon's sending software real soon...
He's making a list and checking it twice
Gonna find out who's naughty and nice
Elon's sending software real soon...
He sees you when you're drivin'
He knows when you're on AP
He knows if you've rebooted
So don't reboot for rebootings sake
Oh! You better watch out, you better not cry
Better not pout, I'm telling you why
Elon's sending software real soon...
Better not pout, I'm telling you why
Elon's sending software real soon...
He's making a list and checking it twice
Gonna find out who's naughty and nice
Elon's sending software real soon...
He sees you when you're drivin'
He knows when you're on AP
He knows if you've rebooted
So don't reboot for rebootings sake
Oh! You better watch out, you better not cry
Better not pout, I'm telling you why
Elon's sending software real soon...
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
There were some AP1 updates I waited so long for that I was certain I had ended up on SantElon's Naughty list for being honest about my car.
Sawyer8888
Member
I got two false ones yesterday. Other car stayed in it's lane.
glad you showed him whos car was superior thereafter haha.
My MS came to a hard near full stop with in busy traffic today, crossing under a bridge. Car behind me stopped in time, but the one behind it had to dodge to the side. The car in front of me wasn't near, and my car kept braking even as it continued to speed away.
Dangerous.
Dangerous.
Joe F
Disruption is hard.
I've been driving with my foot hovering over the go pedal ever since the first time TACC did that to me, even before AS was enabled. Was hoping with each new release these false braking events were being resolved...
Contact Tesla via [email protected] to let then know what/where this happened, assuming you did not do so via an on the spot bug report. They tell me they give such reports a higher priority to investigate the issue.
JasJ
Member
Driving this morning in a local 3 lane road (Each way). I was in the center lane with no car on my left, with AP2 on set for 30mph a large white panel van was driving very close on the right (red on ultrasonics) and I noticed my car drifted to the left side of my lane. As this van kept speeding up and down, as it moved away (both in front and behind me) my car would go back the center of the lane. Three times the van came along side very close and each time my car moved left about 6-9 inches and it showed on screen moving from the center of my lane to the left side then back to center as the van moved off. This was on an absolutely straight road with good markings.
Never saw it do that before, but it was a subtle move that repeated itself. Maybe 17.17.4 did improve on local roads.
Never saw it do that before, but it was a subtle move that repeated itself. Maybe 17.17.4 did improve on local roads.
Sawyer8888
Member
My move was a bit dangerous and done out of frustration. The right thing would have been to distance myself from them by slowing down and then safely pass on the left. But my initial reaction is usually to put as much room between that dangerous driver and myself as quickly as possible. But two wrongs don't make a right - easier said than done for me.
I wonder why there are selective side collision warnings. I'll need to log more miles with this latest update to understand the consistency or lack thereof with this new feature.
S100D
Member
On my first 1,200 mile road trip, my AP2 Model S slammed on the brakes when going over an overpass with about 10 feet elevation change. It also slammed on the brakes for overhead interstate signs, large signs on the right just before exits, and when crossing under bridges crossing the interstate. Fortunately no one was close enough to run into me.
I will be going on a 4,000 mile road trip in July, I hope the software updates will resolve these issues before my trip.
@Sawyer8888 That impulse to use the car as an instrument to vent frustration is really powerful, and I think we've all felt it from time to time. Thanks for your honesty.
OBX John
Autonomous Driving Enthusiast
Autosteer is definitely much improved on slow, winding roads - made it through the town of Duck, NC without having to take over, though it did cross the lines once or twice. I've never been able to get it past those curves before.
Yup, drive under it every day under similar conditions. Never had a problem. That doesn't prove its the FW, though. Traffic, car sizes, etc, all change too.
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