Plug and 100Amp line sticker shock

[efusco]

Just had a couple electricians come by the house for estimates on getting 1)NEMA 15-40 outlet in my garage, & 2)wiring a 100AMP line for later connection of my HPC.

The first estimate is in and came to $850 for just the NEMA 15-40 + ~$1300 for the 100 amp line!

Problem is my breaker box is completely on the opposite side of the house from my garage and no easy access to run the line...gonna have to run it up through a roundabout area in the attic. Optionally could have had a separate meter installed, but that would have involved digging up my yard to run those lines.

I'm not happy about that cost and my wife will be even less happy. Just another $2000 on top of the $1500 for the air suspension and $1100 for delivery....almost like money...

[Tommy]

Just had a couple electricians come by the house for estimates on getting 1)NEMA 15-40 outlet in my garage, & 2)wiring a 100AMP line for later connection of my HPC.

The first estimate is in and came to $850 for just the NEMA 15-40 + ~$1300 for the 100 amp line!

Problem is my breaker box is completely on the opposite side of the house from my garage and no easy access to run the line...gonna have to run it up through a roundabout area in the attic. Optionally could have had a separate meter installed, but that would have involved digging up my yard to run those lines.

I'm not happy about that cost and my wife will be even less happy. Just another $2000 on top of the $1500 for the air suspension and $1100 for delivery....almost like money...

@efusco, here's a rough breakdown of my costs doing the install myself:

Electrical Permit: $250
Wiring (70') + conduit + breaker: $300
Outdoor rated box + NEMA 14/50 outlet: $ 100

Total: $650

I used a Hubbel HBL9450A receptacle which is very heavy duty and manufactured in USA.

It took me about 3 hours to run all the wire, with about 1 hour in the attic and another 1 hour patching access holes. Given the oportunity to do all over again, I would pay someone $850 just to avoid working in an attic. No fun crawling around between joists.

It would not surprise me if a large part of the $1300 cost is the cost of wiring as it is most likely 4/3 wiring. Good luck, I feel your pain.

[Kevin Sharpe]

why install 100A service? I had an HPC wired at 70A and took it off the wall because it was never used... 32A/40A is more then enough for most drivers.

[dsm363]

why install 100A service? I had an HPC wired at 70A and took it off the wall because it was never used... 32A/40A is more then enough for most drivers.

I agree.

efusco : If the cost of the 100A line means you are less likely to get the Model S, stick with the NEMA 14-50. You can always have them come back and do the HPC later if you found out you charging at 40A is too slow for you. I've only had one or two times where I would have liked faster charging since I got the Roadster in Dec. 2009 and even then, it wasn't a problem. You'd also save the $2500 from the wiring and the HPC.

I was in the same situation. The breaker box is all the way on the other side of the house and they had to dig a tunnel in my back yard to run the wiring for my NEMA 14-50. Since they were doing all that work, I had them install a second 14-50 outlet. The total was $1,000 and took them about 8 hours.

[efusco]

why install 100A service? I had an HPC wired at 70A and took it off the wall because it was never used... 32A/40A is more then enough for most drivers.

Experienced roadster owners keep telling me this...and you'd think I'd start listening at some point. But honestly I just am anxious that there will be times that I'll need the faster charge rates...but perhaps you're right that I can/should wait. We are talking about $2500...
I'll see...I put in for a home equity line of credit today, so I'm hoping that will ease the financial pressure a bit and let me just do what I want, but if push comes to shove perhaps I'll save the HPC and 100amp for later.

[dsm363]

What battery pack are you likely to get? What's the farthest you'd see yourself driving (how much would you have left on your pack before you had to turn around and head back out again)? If you're going to frequently come home almost on empty and have to turn around in an hour or two and drive another 100 miles or more then you should get the HPC. If that's a very rare situation and especially if you have an ICE as a backup, I'd start with the HPC and see how often this situation arises. Telsa says the UMC will charge at 31 miles of range an hour (I assume that's ideal miles so may a little more than 20 estimated miles/hour of range) so as long as when you get home you have a few hours to charge before you have to head out again, you should be ok. The only times I've ever really needed an HPC is when I was traveling, not at home.

[ckessel]

We are talking about $2500...

Plus you wouldn't need the twin charger, another $1500.

[dsm363]

Plus you wouldn't need the twin charger, another $1500.

Good catch. Didn't think of that one. So $4,000 less for something probably not needed. I understand they can add the second charger later (probably for more than $1,500) but I'd confirm that first when you configure your car. Might be safer to install the second charger if that's something you think you'll really need but really the Superchargers will probably be as abundant as public 80A chargers in the wild so that second charger isn't as useful.

[smorgasbord]

Experienced roadster owners keep telling me this...

And they're right. What size battery are you getting? Even the big one fully recharges in 10 hours, and that assumes you drive 265 miles on two consecutive days!

The more likely issue is getting a second EV. What I recommend is getting a 100 amp sub panel installed in the garage. They'll run the same gauge wire as for the HPC, but end it in a subpanel. Then, have them put in a 50 amp break to a conveniently positioned NEMA 14-50.

Now you can either add a second NEMA 14-50 for your second car, or if you really decide you need it, you can just replace the last little bit of line with a 100 amp line to the HPC for a low additional cost.

[efusco]

Good catch. Didn't think of that one. So $4,000 less for something probably not needed. I understand they can add the second charger later (probably for more than $1,500) but I'd confirm that first when you configure your car. Might be safer to install the second charger if that's something you think you'll really need but really the Superchargers will probably be as abundant as public 80A chargers in the wild so that second charger isn't as useful.

I'm getting the 85kWh Pack. I'll not infrequently drive 60-70 miles in a day without chance to recharge. Occasionally I'll drive 130 miles (lake house and back) without recharge and then need to drive another 30 round trip. About once a month I'll need to quickly top up charge in order to drive around 200-265 miles to one of the bigger cities in my vicinity for various events. I hope Superchargers will be abundant, but I'm not counting on them in my part of the world for several years, just not that many of us hillbillies with EVs yet.

What battery pack are you likely to get? What's the farthest you'd see yourself driving (how much would you have left on your pack before you had to turn around and head back out again)? If you're going to frequently come home almost on empty and have to turn around in an hour or two and drive another 100 miles or more then you should get the HPC. If that's a very rare situation and especially if you have an ICE as a backup, I'd start with the HPC and see how often this situation arises. Telsa says the UMC will charge at 31 miles of range an hour (I assume that's ideal miles so may a little more than 20 estimated miles/hour of range) so as long as when you get home you have a few hours to charge before you have to head out again, you should be ok. The only times I've ever really needed an HPC is when I was traveling, not at home.

I'll definately still get the twin chargers as I anticipate that I'll be borrowing fellow Tesla owners' HPCs when I'm traveling longer trips to Kansas City, St.Louis, Little Rock, Memphis, Tulsa, etc. and would want to top up as efficiently as possible.

I like the idea of a single 100 amp line and twin 14-50s--that makes a lot of sense...the only potential drawback I can think of is if I add the HPC later then I won't have that backup 14-50 to use for a second EV (assuming it's not a Tesla).

Some good ideas and food for thought, folks. I am taking all of your suggestions seriously, I just tend to be stubborn once I decide I need/want something, but I'll probably come back in a couple years preaching the same sermon to others having a similar dilemma.