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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
Not necessarily; one can examine the screen for a couple of seconds, quickly scan the road for any surprises without moving one's head, and continue with the screen task. Granted, it's less safe than always keeping eyes on the road, but given road conditions that are fairly inert I believe a decent driver can reasonably make that judgment call.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Yea I do this when there’s not any cars around I have a lot of empty roads around here
The thing is since version 12 FSD I haven’t been getting steering nags even though I wear sunglasses. I do keep my hands on the wheel most of the time, lifting them up when the car turns the wheel.
Before FSD I was frequently admonished to apply some torque even though my hands were on the wheel. I guess if the camera now sees that my hands are on the wheel it doesn’t nag with FSD.
I have to wear sunglasses. Sunlight is super bright down here and I only drive during the day.
I have the front dash display so I rarely have to glance over at the screen.
Before FSD I was frequently admonished to apply some torque even though my hands were on the wheel. I guess if the camera now sees that my hands are on the wheel it doesn’t nag with FSD.
I have to wear sunglasses. Sunlight is super bright down here and I only drive during the day.
I have the front dash display so I rarely have to glance over at the screen.
sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
If you’re switching your gaze between the screen and the road then you’re not looking at the screen for 5-10 seconds.
More importantly, the data show that decent drivers are decidedly not decent at gauging their level of distraction.
I'm not sure I would say "very few" moved. 10% of the users on 2024.14.6 came off of 2024.3.25. (And there are some confirmed that have FSD active that were "upgraded".)
That and you can turn your head and look out the driver's window for more than 30 seconds without it caring, totally ignoring what is in front of you, but god help you look at the screen for 7 seconds and you start getting nagged, and a few more seconds and you get a strike. Completely silly.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
EVNow
Well-Known Member
I don't get it a day after Omar/Chuck.
There is some variability even for the OG.
In other news - now I have a new peculiar problem. Near my home where the shoulder is big and the line faded, FSD has decided to drive on the shoulder! New with 12.3.6, I guess (though I don't remember this happening soon after getting 3.6).
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Chuck got on Elon's $hit list a while back for an X post. He is slowly crawling back up to the top.
Chris (@DirtyT3sla ) changed cars. He still seems to be near the top. Omar is the litmus test for releases, not credibility. He lives in Shill City. Count how many days you get it after him). With the exception of the V12 initial rollout, he got it with employee's, way before everyone)
Black Tesla is a nobody and I can't stand watching him. He constantly hits the go pedal during video's due to his impatience, which ruins the video. I never would subscribe to him.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Highly theoretical of course, as gross negligence or shocking lack of attention to what the car is telling you is required to get even one strike. So getting even close to five seems to be sort of a lifetime limit!
I don’t even know how it happens to people with the latest software. They must be just on their phone the whole time, I guess? Or admiring the scenery, not a care in the world.
Anyway, it's good that in a theoretical world the strikes can be eliminated without any loss of use.
I do wonder whether Tesla internally has a test case to test any of these nag systems (specifically their timing and behavior) against the Jeremy Banner case. It seems important to make sure the system would warn in time when emulating that case. I guess that could be the reason for the pickiness when first engaging FSD, that could cover that case.
Is this true? Admittedly I haven't tested it. I do know that the screen nag is there (and pretty reasonable now). But perhaps someone has exhaustively tested it in a video or something. Of course, this (looking out the side of the car) is likely less of an issue of concern - I imagine they are super sensitive to diversion of eyes to the screen or the lap (phone). And having some latitude for looking out the side of the car probably reduces false positives due to driver's scanning the road left or right when making unprotected turns, etc. It makes quite a lot of sense, actually. Obviously it would be better to be contextual (and perhaps it is) - hopefully the threshold for looking out the side of the car is significantly lower when traveling 40-50mph on a road. It should even be aware of which way you are turning and ensure you are looking the correct direction and scanning both directions properly, periodically.
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gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
I haven’t got any strikes, Tesla probably likes that and has taken notice
LSDTester#1
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
I have transitional contacts I use for golfing. Two years ago I went with normal contacts and used sunglasses. A big reason was fewer nags from the car.
Time to go back to transitional contacts I guess
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
I had to give you a disagree... because that one day last year you went through and just hit disagree to 3 pages of my posts!
You did say you had fun doing it so... (I hope that was you!)
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Could you make those pictures bigger, I could hardly make out what was happening....
You can look out at the scenery for any length of time no problem. Spend ~10 seconds trying to adjust your route and you get a strike. (Even if you are providing torque on the steering wheel.) If after ~7 seconds you get the warning to pay attention and you provide torque and look forward for a bit and then look back at the screen for even a couple seconds and bang instant strike.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Wait a sec... did someone tell you that you are OG??? Stop hanging with Omar, he is not a good source of information !!
LSDTester#1
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
He’s already on 12.5. In Elon mode. He’s not baiting us, he’s garnering feedback from all the (whatever @FSDtester#1 ’s new description under his name is)
Word.
