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Yes - 3 miles away a car is a dot or a speck of dust moving. Anyway, the point is - our eyes didn't evolve to combat UPL. So, what our eyes can do is not what we need for UPL.

Thats because they don't get $15 an hour and can't work for 20 hours a day. But then, I didn't claim they do ! The basic idea is that RT replaces labor - so we can calculate how much it is worth by looking at what would be the labor cost for the # of hours you can make RT work.

That is racist. Nobody's "culture" is to steal IPs - just as it is not the "culture" of Europeans to commit genocide.

I remember someone tried FSD before it was available in Canada and there was no restriction.

"visual range" of 3 miles ? What does that even mean ? You can recognize a car from 3 miles away ? I doubt it. OTOH, we can obviously see stars that are light years away ;) Visual acuity is definitely better than Tesla camera. Or for that matter any camera. I've posted about this before. But...

Fluffer Bot was a technical issue. But the robot was simply not very good at performing this delicate task. Its botched efforts held up production, and eventually led to its removal from the Model 3 assembly line, There are obviously a lot of hurdles to overcome. But mostly technical (like how...

May be - but there are instances of judges not accepting settlements. For eg. in the Nissan Leaf battery degradation case, the judge asked the parties to renegotiate. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1099200_nissan-leaf-battery-capacity-lawsuit-court-approves-settlement Funny enough - the...

Why ? China has excellent AI engineers, plenty of money & everything else needed for RTs. Just not sure how profitable they will be - given labor is still quite cheap compared to US.

Tipping is something we should just get used to adding to get the full price when comparing. Privacy .... I'm not sure. RTs will have cameras and presumably can record your actions (and words). You have no privacy when you are in a public space.

Obviously, its not a big deal for a lot of people. I personally don't care. I've enjoyed the conversation sometimes - but kept mum at others. I don't think it will be a driving factor in adoption, one way or another. Ofcourse it will reduce labor cost - just not make it zero. Its not expensive...

This is where individual RT companies can differentiate themselves from others. Better companies will have lots of places where the RTs will go to charge & get cleaned in every market. People keep talking about how passengers will dirty the car (intentionally or otherwise). I don't think so -...

Desire of the people to have standardized service. I mean just look at automated checkouts. We are literally doing the work of checkout clerks without getting paid !

Yes - but you could always opt out. But the way these go - it might take a very long time and there may be multiple chances for Tesla to appeal or get the case dismissed. We have to wait for an actual lawyer to chime in. BTW, the judge has to approve any settlement proposed by the lawyers &...

Funny thing is - all left lanes here are carpool lanes. So I wonder whether the law applies to left most "general" lane ...

Well, Uber/Lyft themselves would love to get their hands on RTs ! If RT is technically feasible, they will figure out a way to make them competitive. Is there any precedence for automation to have completely failed and people went back to manual labor ?

The problem GM etc have is that they think RT is an auto business. Its not - its a AI + retail customer service/logistics business. GM has no experience in this - but is afraid to be left out. An MB exec put it this way some time back - they don't just want to be a noname supplier to Google. RT...

Yes - Uber/Lyft vs Taxis were basically one set of drivers vs the other set. In general people want more choice (and Uber/Lyft is so much easier to hail) - so will always vote for Uber/Lyft. But when it comes to human vs robot drivers, it will take time to replace humans. But will eventually...

The basic idea of software is - the marginal cost is almost zero. So, you pay the engineers the same amount whether you have 100 RTs or 100,000. So, a very large fixed cost, but a very low marginal cost.

Basically - if you operate a taxi company efficiently, you would have drivers on shifts and separate cleaning staff. So, it finally comes down to driver pay. In current taxi business, generally the drivers are leasing the taxi and paying some fee (or a % of revenue). They don't really get paid...

How does it work in high traffic - it makes no sense to leave one lane empty when rest are jam-packed. My guess is all lanes will then be jam packed, so you are driving on the left lane - not just using it for passing.

May be if it sees slow going cars it will reduce the speed to be with them, rather than look at fast cars and go faster. I've set my max at some 12% so that on a 35 road, the max is 40. That seems to be the general speed around here. FSD drives between 35 and 40, usually which is fine with me...

LOl - thats what I thought too. I think its just a long range shot and the black car passed in front of Tesla.

Which they will never tell us ! ps : Elon after all these years continues to believe at any moment now, FSD will exponentially become better quickly. That is the whole reason why every year he has claimed FSD will be achieved that year. MPI - not MPD. We should start using this.

Does it really go that slow or do you generally drive on the faster side (like 75 percentile) ? ps : To me FSD going a little slower than max is not that big a deal. For eg. I set max at 40 mph on a 35 mph road. Usually it will go around 36 or 37, if there aren't a lot of cars zipping past us...

The worst thing is to take a rental car at night from the airport and have to drive to the hotel on unfamiliar roads - and its raining badly - and the wiper barely clears the windscreen (and ofcourse no RainX). Really made me want FSD ....

Thats hilarious. I definitely want to see what FSD would do. Its one of those "edge" cases where Tesla theoretically has an advantage.

Very interesting. Obviously Tesla tracks MPI - but never publishes it. Now he claims 5x to 10x improvement - but without actually publishing the data, who knows ?! Anyway - if true - we should see an impact in the crowd sourced FSD Tracker. From 20 MPI to 100 MPI ? ps : He says intervention -...

But we also see so many reports of - "if there was someone at the back there would have been an accident". So, I wonder, is FSD less likely to brake if there is a vehicle coming at the back. Since FSD would calculate the risk weighted probability of an accident, if there is no one at the back -...

Interesting that we are seeing these reports. Waymo and Zoox have very tiny fleets - and yet we hear about Tesla phantom braking all the time but rarely actual accidents.

Try this ... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-v12-x-end-to-end-ai.301471/page-658#post-8256674 The correct way to clear the nag is to - Use one of the little knobs on the steering wheel - Pull the wheel slightly in one direction and hold it till the nag goes away People who...

I don't know which city that would be - but the ones I know - 100% you will get into an accident, since by definition traffic lights are installed only in busy intersections. And since everyone is honking all the time, they are not useful at traffic signals. BTW, it would be interested what FSD...

Well, if they are lucky. Otherwise, they will be in IC and the government would have banned TikTok.

No - I mean - don't it. Its dangerous and you can get hurt - and ruin FSD for the rest of us.

Well, that only works at the beginning and ending of signal change. After that you will get into an accident !

But why were texting ? You shouldn't be doing it.

Merc can limit their liability by selling very few cars with the capability - not something Tesla can. Honda also did this briefly in Japan (and even when demoing it almost hit another car). Personally I'd not trust Merc to not hit anything irrespective of them taking liability. They may not...

Thats possible - I've been using AP/FSD now for 4+ years, so I don't even "notice" the nags.

The correct way to clear the nag is to - Use one of the little knobs on the steering wheel - Pull the wheel slightly in one direction and hold it till the nag goes away People who "wiggle" the wheel instead, have problem making the nag go away.

That would happen only if Robotaxis get commoditized. That is unlikely - in the short term. Esp. considering regulations. I expect few RT players who basically compete with human drivers (atleast in the first few years). That is why we need to compare to human drivers. They are expecting to be...

CA has definitely bent over backwards to accommodate them - finally resulting in Cruise getting disgraced. Effective regulation is needed to keep the companies honest. Otherwise they will keep pushing the boundaries until something breaks (see Uber, Cruise etc).

You can always "check" once to see what FSD would do - but once you know the scenario is not handled, using FSD in this situation becomes more of a pain than ADAS ;) ps : This is exactly why a lot of people keep saying FSD is "useless" etc. For them it is more painful to use than being of any...

I've seen various business cases for Robotaxis - but the main competition are human drivers. So, how much can RT make when competing with human drivers ? Let us say the minimum wage is $15 an hour. A lot of Uber/Lyft drivers actually make something like or even less that once all costs are...

I just disengage in such scenarios.

There you got it ;)

I hadn't thought of that. Its quite possible they will show a video of a driverless Tesla RT driving for sometime. In well mapped easy areas in low traffic it can definitely do it for a while.

Yes - everyone wants uber for $99 a month ;) It costs me that much in Uber to go from my home to the airport - one way.

Most of the driving time is spent doing "TACC" and "Lane Keeping". FSD does that well. At intersections it needs monitoring.

So you are saying a less advanced ADAS should solve harder problems than a more advanced robotaxi ?

Even with all that happened they still want to claim - "Safety continues to be the defining principle ...". Corporate America will never accept any responsibility for any wrong doing.

Yes to what ? - Slow down at school zone only when needed (when the lights flashing, when children are around etc) - Promptly revert back to original speed at the end of school zone I don't think it does either of those correctly / consistently. What it does is to ignore school zone speeds...