FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[gottagofast]

Ummm, that's a new one. I mean we all know you can see a pending update in the app, but nowhere in the app is the functionality of the software tab in your car.

If I don’t look at the software tab I still get a notification in my Tesla app that update xx.xx.xx whatever is available to download

 

[FSDtester#1]

If I don’t look at the software tab I still get a notification in my Tesla app that update xx.xx.xx whatever is available to download

True, and if you don't open your app and wake up your car, you won't see a pending update. I am really trying to help. Just go back to the last page and read my entire reply to your original post. All the answers you want are in that post.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Lol. I had you wrong, Tester. You're a decent guy.

I like the spicy posts today... kills some time waiting for "Next week".

 

[cyborgLIS]

I like the spicy posts today... kills some time waiting for "Next week".

Next week... whenever that is

 

[EVNow]

looks like FSD just failed and got t-boned. I guess @AlanSubie4Life gets another beer. Make it a Blatz this time.

LOl - thats what I thought too. I think its just a long range shot and the black car passed in front of Tesla.

 

[AudreyHTX1]

This seems like terrible news for me personally. I have to intervene with the accelerator every few seconds so for me, my MPI is around 0.1-0.2. While I would welcome a 5-10x improvement, something tells me 12.4 will not be keeping up with the flow of traffic either.

But to lose v11 on the highways (in 12.5) where it (v11) actually goes the speed I want it to and have the car routinely drive under the speed limit on the freeways around here means I would stop using FSD altogether as I've already started to use it less and less on city streets.

Interesting, I’ve been on chill the whole time but I’ve never experienced the drive under the speed limit phenomenon. It pretty much zips up to the posted limit and maintains it exactly.

 

[joelkfla]

12.3.6 slowed down to avoid a bird strike this evening. As it made the turn into my subdivision, a crow that was in the middle of the road flew up right in front of the car, and it slowed down to avoid it.

I passed under an overhead School Zone sign with flashing yellow light. The car slowed down a few mph, but nowhere close to the Zone speed limit. Disengagement required.

And it mistook a Junction Hwy 50 sign for a Speed Limit 50 sign.

 

[mgs333]

Does it really go that slow or do you generally drive on the faster side (like 75 percentile) ?

ps : To me FSD going a little slower than max is not that big a deal. For eg. I set max at 40 mph on a 35 mph road. Usually it will go around 36 or 37, if there aren't a lot of cars zipping past us (which obviously is rare). But where it actually is useful is if the road is a new neighborhood road where somehow the speed limit is 50 mph and FSD correctly goes slower given the small unmarked road (around 25 mph). FSD also slows down at construction zones, which is good.

I am on the faster side, 75th percentile sounds about right but I keep pace with other cars so that I'm not the fastest. But the car is usually around the 25th percentile, it could be my particular roads/conditions that make it so slow but most of the time (at least half the time) it's under the speed limit, sometimes it'll be 1-2 over and it's pretty rare it'll go anywhere near my max. (which is around 17% over, so 41-42 in a 35, 30-31 in 25)

 

[LowlyOilBurner]

Yesterday morning, “auto” speed blew into a 40mph zone at 57, with no signs of slowing. I intervened. At least fix this please?

Edit: has anyone got a ticket using this junk? Most of my interventions are hitting the brakes when there is a speed limit change from 55 to 45/40/35mph. Police love to write tickets in rural areas where speed limits change like this.

 

[JB47394]

Interesting, I’ve been on chill the whole time but I’ve never experienced the drive under the speed limit phenomenon. It pretty much zips up to the posted limit and maintains it exactly.

If you're on an interstate highway, the car will behave like that for anyone because it's using the V11 heuristic software. But on state highways and such, V12 will be running, and it will choose an "appropriate" speed. It's frequently wrong, both high and low, leading to all these complaints against it.

I share the fear that bringing V12 to the interstates will mess up the most useful capability of FSD. In general, when Tesla implements an Auto Anything, it's inferior to my doing it myself. Not just different, but clearly inferior. Auto lights, auto wipers, auto lane selection, auto speed selection, etc. Whenever I engage FSD, I turn off as much of the automatics as I can, waiting for the day when they do it as well as I could.

 

[AudreyHTX1]

Yesterday morning, “auto” speed blew into a 40mph zone at 57, with no signs of slowing. I intervened. At least fix this please?

Edit: has anyone got a ticket using this junk? Most of my interventions are hitting the brakes when there is a speed limit change from 55 to 45/40/35mph. Police love to write tickets in rural areas where speed limits change like this.

I experienced this lack of slowdown more than a couple of mph many times on two-lane rural highways going through small towns on our recent long road trip. Even though the car read and displayed the lower speed limit. Very frustrating. I always had to disengage by braking, I was indeed worried about being ticketed.

Also, my first reaction was always to dial down the right wheel but infuriatingly that has no effect whatsoever. Basically you have to anticipate and disengage through small towns.

 

[AudreyHTX1]

If you're on an interstate highway, the car will behave like that for anyone because it's using the V11 heuristic software. But on state highways and such, V12 will be running, and it will choose an "appropriate" speed. It's frequently wrong, both high and low, leading to all these complaints against it.

Specifically speeding up to the limit and maintaining it exactly is what I experience on non-interstate driving, around town etc., so definitely V12.

I have experienced several other V12 quirks but not the routinely driving under the detected speed limit.

 

[LSDTester#1]

I use cruise control all the time, even city driving - I find it's the best way to keep me from speeding….

Like micro dosing

 

[lzolman]

Worst thing about a rental car after years of not driving an ICE car is getting out of it and it takes off on you, while you’re scrambling to jump back in and stop it.

I still hit the Park button on the screen, sometimes even after I've opened the door... it just feels like there should be another step...

 

[Twiglett]

You could have both, buy another Tesla and keep it off FSD!

I have that now. I transferred FSD from my 3 to my Y, so now the 3 has the most up to date.
In an unexpected twist the 3 got the free trial so they’re both on the same FSD release but far apart in base version

 

[JB47394]

Specifically speeding up to the limit and maintaining it exactly is what I experience on non-interstate driving, around town etc., so definitely V12.

In that case, it's probably the difference in driving environment. San Francisco Bay area versus South Texas. I suspect that your driving environment isn't quite as built up as the Bay area, or here in the DC area, where the car will also frequently operate below the speed limit.

I was assuming that you were talking about interstate driving because of your mention of the Chill setting. That doesn't appear to have much of an effect elsewhere.

Also, my first reaction was always to dial down the right wheel but infuriatingly that has no effect whatsoever.

With Auto Set Speed Offset (ASSO) disabled, it will eventually slow to the selected speed, but it's not quick. I just did a test and on the one case where I timed it, it was about 10 seconds to drop from 50 to 35, and it wasn't smooth; the slowing came in increments.

Here's hoping that 12.4 does a better job with speed control across the board.

 

[AudreyHTX1]

We have plenty of high density city around here where I experience most of the driving. Not rural. I mentioned chill because many folks mentioned ASSO on or other settings. I have ASSO off. Also over the past month I have driven off interstate in several large urban areas and some very crowded smaller urban areas and never experienced the under speed limit driving.

On the highways through small rural towns, I have waited - 45 mph it simply doesn’t drop more than a couple of mph and doesn’t get to 45, then the 35 mph sign comes up already and it’s still above 45 and dropping super slow. I have to take over.

 

[rlsd]

I think Tesla needs to provide a one-click button to change speed control from/to auto/manual while FSD is running.

 

[EVNow]

I am on the faster side, 75th percentile sounds about right but I keep pace with other cars so that I'm not the fastest. But the car is usually around the 25th percentile, it could be my particular roads/conditions that make it so slow but most of the time (at least half the time) it's under the speed limit, sometimes it'll be 1-2 over and it's pretty rare it'll go anywhere near my max. (which is around 17% over, so 41-42 in a 35, 30-31 in 25)

May be if it sees slow going cars it will reduce the speed to be with them, rather than look at fast cars and go faster.

I've set my max at some 12% so that on a 35 road, the max is 40. That seems to be the general speed around here. FSD drives between 35 and 40, usually which is fine with me.

ps : When I drive our other car, I see that my speed varies quite a lot. Generally that's what you'd expect with cars that are not on CC. Ofcourse you tend to speed as well which FSD is good at not doing.

 

[PianoAl]

There's a German company doing L0 remote control that the BBC covered last year:

They started in Berlin, and they've since expanded to the UK.

I see almost no advantage for the company that operates that versus, say, one that operates a normal taxi. That is, in both, the driver is working the same amount of time. In one he's in the car, in the other he's in the office.

The only upside I can think of is he can easily switch to a different car if the next customer is far away from the destination of the first rider.

Also, the driver can take a faster bathroom break.

There must be another advantage that justifies the big investment in the tech. Or did they just not think this through?