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The Cybertruck is more expensive to supercharge than a Ford F-150 costs in gas
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There's really no surprise here. Supercharger rates are extremely high, and should be used to get between destination chargers only.
ChiefRollo
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If one has to completely rely on supercharging for daily use, owning the CT should be the last thing on his / her agenda.
If one runs a Tesla related YouTube channel trying to earning a living on people’s quick glances, putting the CT through its pace however outlying the use case is, then trying to gain access to one makes sense.
If one runs a Tesla related YouTube channel trying to earning a living on people’s quick glances, putting the CT through its pace however outlying the use case is, then trying to gain access to one makes sense.
All of the EV trucks are for urban dwelling yuppies. In truth, most pickup trucks are for urban dwellers who can't even tell you what the difference between a class I and a class III receiver is, but some trucks are used for commercial obviously, and I cannot see any of the current EV trucks actually being good for commercial. High cost, hassle charging, terrible range on towing is something impacting all of them.
I do want a cybertruck, but as things look now when the lease is up on my ram 1500 I anticipate either buying it out or leasing another.
I think the CT is pretty amazing in a lot of ways (and I want one because I am an urban dwelling yuppy type), but as a work truck for a general contractor, or somebody who regularly tows it fails just like all of its compatriots. You can buy a ram 1500 classic, 4WD for mid 40's right now. Or spend $70k+ on a cybertruck. As a work vehicle it makes no sense at all. The dynamics of all these would change at $6-7/gallon gas, assuming electricity rates stayed where they are. The truth is our gas prices are similar right now to what they were 15 years ago. It's a hard sell. Moreover, some of the people here are paying outrageous electricity prices. I pay all-in about $.13/kWh. If I was paying $.30+ like some here I wouldn't have bought a tesla.
That depends on where you are, they aren't extremely high here in Oregon. Where I am it is actually cheaper to charge at the Supercharger for a portion of the day, and even at the off-peak times it is only a little more expensive. (At home it is like 9/17/43 cents/kWh while at the Supercharger is 10/21 cents/kWh.)
Years ago, there were no base charges. Energy was priced by the kWh. Now, for various reasons, including the adoption of solar, etc., utilities are trying to shift over to a model of a base charge plus reduced prices per kWh. If you really want to compare apples vs. apples pricing for energy, you have to take base charges into account. As an exagerated example, if utility 1's pricing is $100 per month and 1 cent per kWh and utility 2's pricing is no base charge and 20 cents per kWh, it's pretty obvious that you can't just compare kWh pricing and say #1 is 1 cent while #2 is 20 cents...That doesn't make any sense...
You’d have to take a percentage then. If my house used 3,800 kWh in August for example and my car used 800kWh, you wouldn’t assign the entire $20 base charge to the car. But the such a small number anyway, it doesn’t have a major impact of fuel costs for a comparison.
Yes, if the base charge is $100 then than changes things. But again, if you want power to your home you pay the base charge no matter what. That’d be like telling someone it costs $160 to run your refrigerator a month because you assign the entire $100 base charge to one appliance.
Obviously, people are going to have electricity at their homes either way, stuck with the base rate regardless of if they charge an EV at home or not.
So, to calculate what it cost to fuel your EV, just considering the kwh rate seems fair to me. Also need to add 13% to that which is what is wasted during LVL2 charging. 10% for LVL1.
Ironically, in many of the places where EVs are often shunned due to local politics, the electricity rates are very low making them an improved value in those locations.
So, to calculate what it cost to fuel your EV, just considering the kwh rate seems fair to me. Also need to add 13% to that which is what is wasted during LVL2 charging. 10% for LVL1.
Ironically, in many of the places where EVs are often shunned due to local politics, the electricity rates are very low making them an improved value in those locations.
It is funny that many of the southern states have super cheap electricity and are the lowest adoption rate of EVs.
I never supercharge except for road trips. It’s too expensive and bad for battery health long term . I don’t even have home charging so I use a paid level 2 down the street. It’s much cheaper than gas.
ucmndd
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The supercharger next to my office is now cheaper than my lowest off-peak home electricity rate.
I pay $0.08 all day to charge here in Atlanta at home. I did not want to do the $0.05-$0.04 they offered because I'd you mess that up and charge or run the dishwasher or dryer too long you're screwed. So i just do 8 cents. But all day.
My MYP has 35,000 miles and tires are still not a replacement yet. They are actually really good and i drive fast around 75-85mph in Atlanta accelerate at 1/2 max mostly. Mostly highway miles.
My old 2017 F150 crew can 3.5L V6 got 23mpg but again mostly highway in a warm climate. I think that's about as good as an F150 can get.
I spent 82% less to drive.
My MYP has 35,000 miles and tires are still not a replacement yet. They are actually really good and i drive fast around 75-85mph in Atlanta accelerate at 1/2 max mostly. Mostly highway miles.
My old 2017 F150 crew can 3.5L V6 got 23mpg but again mostly highway in a warm climate. I think that's about as good as an F150 can get.
I spent 82% less to drive.
I think the comparison is on the road away from home. Charging at home is a no brainer.
ChiefRollo
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Why would that be a good comparison? Is it because fueling up at home isn’t an option? How about we let people who try to abuse the mass with narratives that favor them while we critically think for ourselves?
Tesla as a business needs to charge a margin on top of what the local utility charges it. As an investor, I hope Tesla will charge more or as much as it can to non-Tesla charging EV’s. This isn’t charity.
Relax. Your stock is safe.
No one is asking Tesla to lower their charging prices. We are talking about battery size and why Tesla and Ford both believe in smaller battery packs vs bigger packs like Chevy is going for.
Faster Charging and Cost to charge are priority.
As far as fueling at home, there’s no need. Five minute stop and you are done.
ChiefRollo
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Thanks. Regarding battery capacity/ size, how often did we discuss optimal fuel tank size? If we were to spec an EV for daily normal family use, how many miles per full charge would we want…knowing the higher the number, the heavier the battery hence less efficiency? Do we simply want as many miles as possible for cheap marketing purposes which has been GM’s approach?
It’s a bit of a digression but I can’t help but wonder how GM has gone unbothered with its repeated “hands-free driving” narrative in its ad blitz.
It’s a bit of a digression but I can’t help but wonder how GM has gone unbothered with its repeated “hands-free driving” narrative in its ad blitz.
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ProfessorZoom
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For those reading, you should make an additional calculation for your home charging. For example mine for winter pricing is 0.13 per kWh
ChiefRollo
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…and while at it, consider the financial impacts on home charging cost, if any, of solar panels and related rebates that this car company for some strange reason also provides. BTW should Tesla Motors just stick to “motors”?
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