ahh the good old “sell your stock” advice whenever someone is concerned about something involving a company they love where they have invested a substantial amount of their life savings. How dare they express any sort of concern, they must immediately sell all their stock Instead. Why do we even have shareholder voting on anything at AGMs, we should all just obey no matter what right?
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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So you are whining on a message board about other people whining? Life’s too short bro.
One post. Versus how many from you on this subject?
Musskiah
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Let's move this petulance to TMC board called "The Sandbox." If ya'll can't play nice, take it there. Good greif!
Oh you do whatever you want to do. I just dont want to see you reaping the rewards from holding the stock based on your ignorance. You dont deserve it.
Wow.
I for one hope everyone on here who holds Tesla stock, including you, regardless of our disagreements on how we think the company should be run, will reap much reward in future.
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Musskiah
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Didn't take our "good friend" Fred long to hoist the FUD:
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Elon Musk complains about his smaller stake in Tesla after wasting it on buying Twitter
Note: special podcast on the matter Elon Musk has made a bizarre statement in which he appears to complain about...
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just a rhyme, but meaning is like movies with sound IIRC, as compared to silet movies. Used loosely (made up) for More drama ...Since evening, I have been planning what I need to do tomorrow ... Fri I had closed some positions, sold Jan 25 400 CC and have 36K as cash ...
.. I wanted to sell shares in my personal at 300, but things don't go according to plan ...
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Why does he always have to put foot in mouth first!
good to see some positive stuff from Rohan
Had a back and forth on Friday night with @elonmusk about a large AI data center investment he decided to approve, which he has been tracking closely for many months. Hard to imagine a CEO more involved in the most important details of their company than E
Had a back and forth on Friday night with @elonmusk about a large AI data center investment he decided to approve, which he has been tracking closely for many months. Hard to imagine a CEO more involved in the most important details of their company than E
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Analyzing the situation it seems pretty clear what is happening. To keep it simple there's two situations.
1. Elon loses the shareholder lawsuit and doesn't get a new incentive package. Then all his work after 2018 will not be compensated, he will only have 13 percent of the shares, so it's really a loss of around 600 million options (300 million from 2018 and 300 from a hypothetical new incentive package)
2. Elon does not lose the lawsuit and a new incentive package comes modeled after the old one. His stake is 400 million shares he owns today + 600 million in stock options. He will have to sell 200-300 million shares for taxes, and exercise the rest of the options for stock. That's the ~25 percent Elon is demanding.
So the 25 percent is not really a number Elon randomly chose, but that's the amount that a new stock incentive plan and not taking his 2018 plan would end up at.
I think personally as a shareholder we are almost all fine with giving another incentive plan to him, but the way he's dragging us across the mud by threatening to stunt Tesla's growth in AI/robo is not something he should be doing, especially with what long-term shareholders did to support him over the years.
1. Elon loses the shareholder lawsuit and doesn't get a new incentive package. Then all his work after 2018 will not be compensated, he will only have 13 percent of the shares, so it's really a loss of around 600 million options (300 million from 2018 and 300 from a hypothetical new incentive package)
2. Elon does not lose the lawsuit and a new incentive package comes modeled after the old one. His stake is 400 million shares he owns today + 600 million in stock options. He will have to sell 200-300 million shares for taxes, and exercise the rest of the options for stock. That's the ~25 percent Elon is demanding.
So the 25 percent is not really a number Elon randomly chose, but that's the amount that a new stock incentive plan and not taking his 2018 plan would end up at.
I think personally as a shareholder we are almost all fine with giving another incentive plan to him, but the way he's dragging us across the mud by threatening to stunt Tesla's growth in AI/robo is not something he should be doing, especially with what long-term shareholders did to support him over the years.
Perhaps if Tesla was required to buy lots of stock -or otherwise somehow directly invest in Spacex or Mars-X or whatever Elon wants to call that enterprise instead of compensating Elon directly - or at all - with Tesla shares -so there's no need to sell shares to pay taxes?
Edit - but Mars ambitions would get funded.
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Knightshade
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FWIW another way they could increase Elons % of voting shares controlled would be to do a large share buyback and retire a large # of shares.
IMHO it's strict human format limits Optimus' utility from what the addition of a few quick-tach ports for extra tools or tool-arms and steadying appendages might otherwise add in utility.
I bet we'll very soon see many non-human mods to what Optimus, with micro-camera drones occasionally buzzing about so Optimus can see other perspectives.
Most of what humans are evolved to serve very non-industrial functions useless for manufacturing.
Or a smaller buyback and give those shares to Elon.
Stupid proposition in the first 20 seconds. Build both bots & someday robotaxi, not either / or.
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