Following that logic there would be no V4 listings on supercharge.info but there are so I was just following what has been established. I also don’t think we will see V4 only cabinets anytime soon because they can use the current V3.5 with both. And the 800V part is only compatible with Cybertruck so I am guessing anything that does 400V and 800V will always be V3/V4 (V3.5 in Tesla terms).I defer to your expertise, but I would think we should call something V4 only if it has the never seen V4 cabinets and V4 posts together? I so want to see V4 cabinets, just to feel like there's going to be progress.